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jeschmit Tue Jul 02, 2013 09:01am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 899126)
Dang. May I ask what level you work? And why so many flights?

I work NCAAW, and the flights are due to the camps being in Colorado, Virginia and Philly (I live just east of STL).

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 899127)
AND, what's your day job?!

Haha, I'm a groundskeeper at a small college (so I have winters off for the most part), but the way I'm able to do this is the fact that my better half is the breadwinner of the family and fully supports my officiating career. I am a lucky man!

grunewar Tue Jul 02, 2013 09:09am

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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 899133)
Haha, I'm a groundskeeper at a small college (so I have winters off for the most part), but the way I'm able to do this is the fact that my better half is the breadwinner of the family and fully supports my officiating career. I am a lucky man!

Yes you are. Good for you!

Multiple Sports Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:41am

Already spent $1500 and have 5 more camps this month.....

Not married is the key !!!!

Raymond Thu Jul 04, 2013 08:55am

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 899253)
Already spent $1500 and have 5 more camps this month.....

Not married is the key !!!!

Going to Reading?

Multiple Sports Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:50am

Yep......team camp here I come.....

Multiple Sports Fri Jul 05, 2013 09:21pm

Big camp in Philly this weekend.....anybody playing Marie's game.....

Freddy Sun Jul 07, 2013 03:49pm

And I Thought I Overdo It
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 899003)
Hmm, let me look...

April - $225 (flight, room and rental as well)
May - $300 (room as well)
June - $400 (flight, room and rental)
June - $50
July - $225 (flight room and rental)
July - $400 (room)
August - $100

7 camps total, $1700 in camp fees. I don't even want to add up the flights, rooms and rentals.

Still wouldn't change this summer as I've learned a TON already, and I still have three more camps to go!

I have a new hero/role model.
If I could only get rid of this job........

grunewar Sun Jul 07, 2013 03:56pm

Agreed, but changed it for me.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 899453)
I have a new hero/role model.
If I could only, hit the lottery, and get rid of this day job........

one can dream......

Multiple Sports Sun Jul 07, 2013 04:25pm

Wai til the end of the month....Im going to top that !!!!

Raymond Sun Jul 07, 2013 05:56pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 899456)
Wai til the end of the month....Im going to top that !!!!

I don't want to spend that much time away from home the entire year, let alone one summer.

amusedofficial Mon Jul 08, 2013 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 899120)
The point remains, you're paying money for access only and they're making very good money. You're not paying for the instruction. How many jobs do you know of do you have to pay for the interview?

Let's say I wanted to be a cop in a small town. No civil service, the chief hires the cops.

Is it OK for the mayor to:

-- announce he's conducting a "cop camp" and make it clear by words or impressions that if I want the cop job it would be good for me to go to cop camp,

-- charge the people attending cop camp money to work assorted unfilled shifts as a cop without compensation even thought the city budgets for it and collects taxes for it

-- throw some favored off-duty cop a few bucks to 'supervise' with an inherent promise of future favors in return

--keep the money budgeted for the vacant positions for himself.

Now let us say that some of these camps are run by assignors for state associations or public college conferences. Looks crooked as a dog's hind leg. People are making money in exchange for considering people for jobs financed with taxpayer money.

But then, this is a calling in which officials at the highest levels can plead guilty to federal charges for pocketing cash in an airline ticket scam and end calling a world championship game.

In any other business, or in government, demanding cash up front for considering someone for job is a shakedown and it gets you jail time.

Raymond Mon Jul 08, 2013 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 899537)
...
Now let us say that some of these camps are run by assignors for state associations or public college conferences. Looks crooked as a dog's hind leg. People are making money in exchange for considering people for jobs financed with taxpayer money.
....

This is something Ed T. Rush was hoping to change.

I've spoken recently to a couple of current NBA refs who don't like that system either.

Multiple Sports Mon Jul 08, 2013 03:51pm

$450 x # of campers......
 
Next camp you go to start doing the math, camps are a necessary evil I guess :confused::confused:

Camron Rust Mon Jul 08, 2013 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 899568)
Next camp you go to start doing the math, camps are a necessary evil I guess :confused::confused:

Camps are necessary, but it isn't necessary that they be $450/per for a large number of campers.

If an assignor wanted to have a tryout camp, they could do so by just having a series of games at one of these tournaments where they would personally watch officials work...maybe even pocketing the game fees for their time. They could be selective in who gets spots they don't need to watch 50 people who have no chance of ever getting hired just to find 4-5 people. Applicants could send in a recent game video and the assignor could know from there whether the person had a chance of being qualified or not.

BatteryPowered Mon Jul 08, 2013 04:03pm

The association I belonged to in Texas puts on a 3-man camp each September. We use the area high school summer league teams...each team pays $150 and they have around 26 teams (host school gets two teams in at no charge and they keep concessions). They have a sign on every court letting everyone know the event is hosted and organized by the officials association and not the schools. Campers pay $175...get a t-shirt, another goodie (bag, pre-game board, etc.), 4 hours of classroom sessions and work 3 or 4 games. They get a DVD of each game and a post game critique as a crew.

Even at those rates, the association CLEARS about ten grand. Gives you some idea what a camp clears that charges $400.


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