Pacers vs Heat - Game 5 (Video Request)

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

If Hansbrough gets a T on that play, then Anderson should have been ejected.

Bingo. Here's the breakdown I see.

Hansbrough:
Technical for not walking away/jawing at Anderson

Anderson:
Flagrant 1 for hip-checking Hansbrough
Technical for shoving Hansbrough

Where is Anderson's technical for not walking away/jawing at Hansbrough?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Bingo. Here's the breakdown I see.

Hansbrough:
Technical for not walking away/jawing at Anderson

Anderson:
Flagrant 1 for hip-checking Hansbrough
Technical for shoving Hansbrough

Where is Anderson's technical for not walking away/jawing at Hansbrough?

Um, that is exactly what appears to have happened in this situation. You do not give another T for a shove. Now if you consider one of those other acts as a flagrant 2 act, that is fine.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Bingo. Here's the breakdown I see.

Hansbrough:
Technical for not walking away/jawing at Anderson

Anderson:
Flagrant 1 for hip-checking Hansbrough
Technical for shoving Hansbrough

Where is Anderson's technical for not walking away/jawing at Hansbrough?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Um, that is exactly what appears to have happened in this situation. You do not give another T for a shove. Now if you consider one of those other acts as a flagrant 2 act, that is fine.

Peace

Why not?

If Hansbrough is getting a T for what he did, the right thing to do is call Anderson for a live ball personal F1 and a dead ball T. The shove was a completely separate act from the initial foul and deserves its own penalty.

[JetMetFan]

Stern tells NBC Sports Radio: Andersen should have been ejected for Hansbrough shove

I can see giving Hansbrough the T. Unless he turns his back or when he's approached Hansbrough keeps his mouth shut he's in danger of getting one. What I can't see is allowing Andersen to stay in the game after the inital contact. The NBA's definition of a FF2 is a foul that's "unecessary and excessive." It's hard to believe that contact wasn't determined to meet both those criteria.

[JetMetFan]

NEW YORK (AP) - Miami forward Chris Andersen has been suspended for Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals for his altercation with Indiana's Tyler Hansbrough in Game 5.

The NBA also upgraded Andersen's foul to a Flagrant 2, which would have meant an automatic ejection had it been called at the time.

Andersen knocked Hansbrough to the floor from behind with 9:02 left in the second quarter, then shoved him backward after Hansbrough got up. The NBA also says Friday in a statement that Andersen "resisted efforts to bring the altercation to an end."

[canuckrefguy]

I'm willing to bet in the post-game evaluation, or nightly video conferencing and tape breakdown - not tossing Andersen was pointed out.

I was surprised after Dan Crawford went to the monitor and stuck with just a F1 and T.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

NEW YORK (AP) - Miami forward Chris Andersen has been suspended for Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals for his altercation with Indiana's Tyler Hansbrough in Game 5.

The NBA also upgraded Andersen's foul to a Flagrant 2, which would have meant an automatic ejection had it been called at the time.

Andersen knocked Hansbrough to the floor from behind with 9:02 left in the second quarter, then shoved him backward after Hansbrough got up. The NBA also says Friday in a statement that Andersen "resisted efforts to bring the altercation to an end."

And Hansbrough's T was rescinded. The right decision was (eventually) made, IMO. Watching this in a restaurant last night, I thought it was a horrible decision, especially with video available to get it right the first time.

[JRutledge]

So if he MF'd Anderson or said something else inappropriate that is OK?

I think that is a horrible precident considering that both had words with each other.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why not?

If Hansbrough is getting a T for what he did, the right thing to do is call Anderson for a live ball personal F1 and a dead ball T. The shove was a completely separate act from the initial foul and deserves its own penalty.

NBA Rules maybe?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

NBA Rules maybe?

Peace

Which one(s)?

The only one I see that is relevant says that the shove wouldn't be a T if the player had already been ejected. Since they didn't call the first contact an F2, Anderson wasn't ejected. Thus, a subsequent T is still possible.

I don't see any reason in what I'm reading that says a player can't get a T for shoving someone if they do it within a certain amount of time of committing a personal foul.

If you know of NBA rules that say otherwise, cite them. And remember, they did call an F1 AND a T on Anderson...and there was no mention in the NBA's followup of the play of that being incorrect.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Which one(s)?

The only one I see that is relevant says that the shove wouldn't be a T if the player had already been ejected. Since they didn't call the first contact an F2, Anderson wasn't ejected. Thus, a subsequent T is still possible.

I don't see any reason in what I'm reading that says a player can't get a T for shoving someone if they do it within a certain amount of time of committing a personal foul.

If you know of NBA rules that say otherwise, cite them. And remember, they did call an F1 AND a T on Anderson...and there was no mention in the NBA's followup of the play of that being incorrect.

I am not an NBA Rules guru. I am under the impression that these acts have to be treated as a double foul when situations take place during a dead ball against opponents. They do not handle these things (to my knowledge) like they do at other codes. And if you noticed, the only issue was whether a foul should have been given, not how many fouls should have been given because of each action.

Now maybe APG or others more versed on the rules can clarify either way, but that is my understanding of why this was handled that way. I am going to assume that the officials at that level know their rules better then most of us here.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not an NBA Rules guru. I am under the impression that these acts have to be treated as a double foul when situations take place during a dead ball against opponents. They do not handle these things (to my knowledge) like they do at other codes. And if you noticed, the only issue was whether a foul should have been given, not how many fouls should have been given because of each action.

Now maybe APG or others more versed on the rules can clarify either way, but that is my understanding of why this was handled that way. I am going to assume that the officials at that level know their rules better then most of us here.

Peace

OK. so what in my original statement are you disagreeing with again? Or are you just having fun trying to disagree?