Video Request:Spurs-Grizzlies End of 1st Quarter Foul on Half-Court Attempt (Clipped)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I don't even see a foul from the angles shown in the video. More like a flop on the part of Manu.

There is definitely a foul that prevents Manu from raising his right arm.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is definitely a foul that prevents Manu from raising his right arm.

Ok...I can see a little contact there. In slo mo, the contact occurs after he loses the ball on his hip.

Manu is a left handed shooter too. He embellished the contact to his right arm with some antics there.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Ok...I can see a little contact there. In slo mo, the contact occurs after he loses the ball on his hip.

Manu is a left handed shooter too. He embellished the contact to his right arm with some antics there.

In the air? How do you embellish in the air?

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In the air? How do you embellish in the air?

Peace

He flops his right arm out away from his body thereby exaggerating what could possibly be miscontrued as a shooting motion. Most people (and I would hope the officials) know Manu is a lefty - especially from 40 feet.

In slo mo, he loses control of the ball on his left butt cheek while fumbling a dribble. Sensing he's in trouble (and being a smart competitor) he tries to feign a shot attempt by flailing his right arm. He manages to draw contact.....and a whistle.

In real time, I may have had the same thing as the calling official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

He flops his right arm out away from his body thereby exaggerating what could possibly be miscontrued as a shooting motion. Most people (and I would hope the officials) know Manu is a lefty - especially from 40 feet.

In slo mo, he loses control of the ball on his left butt cheek while fumbling a dribble. Sensing he's in trouble (and being a smart competitor) he tries to feign a shot attempt by flailing his right arm. He manages to draw contact.....and a whistle.

In real time, I may have had the same thing as the calling official.

I am not suggesting that when he hit the floor he did not embellish, but not with his arm being grabbed to prevent him from shooting the ball.

And for the record they did go and review the play and came to the same conclusion they did when the whistle was blown. And if Ginobli would have just slapped the arm and did nothing else then I might agree with you. But he held on to Allen's arm and pulled him down. That is a dangerous play and should be called and ruled accordingly to the way it took place.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not suggesting that when he hit the floor he did not embellish, but not with his arm being grabbed to prevent him from shooting the ball.

And for the record they did go and review the play and came to the same conclusion they did when the whistle was blown. And if Ginobli would have just slapped the arm and did nothing else then I might agree with you. But he held on to Allen's arm and pulled him down. That is a dangerous play and should be called and ruled accordingly to the way it took place.

Peace

Wrong thread....LOL

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Wrong thread....LOL

You are right.

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not suggesting that when he hit the floor he did not embellish, but not with his arm being grabbed to prevent him from shooting the ball.

And for the record they did go and review the play and came to the same conclusion they did when the whistle was blown. And if Ginobli would have just slapped the arm and did nothing else then I might agree with you. But he held on to Allen's arm and pulled him down. That is a dangerous play and should be called and ruled accordingly to the way it took place.

Peace

"Dangerous"?

I'm big on "protecting the shooter", but let's be real. Manu is not a right handed shooter. He's a lefty. He wasn't shooting the ball. Rather, just trying to draw contact. He got a "grab"...and it wasn't dangerous. Now, if the defender grabbed a leg or tripped him, then ya, I'd go along with "dangerous" in that play.

[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

"Dangerous"?

I'm big on "protecting the shooter", but let's be real. Manu is not a right handed shooter. He's a lefty. He wasn't shooting the ball. Rather, just trying to draw contact. He got a "grab"...and it wasn't dangerous. Now, if the defender grabbed a leg or tripped him, then ya, I'd go along with "dangerous" in that play.

It's been already pointed out, but he was responding to the wrong thread when he wrote that.

[MD Longhorn]

I see no try. If this is a foul, it's not a shooting foul... that said, I see no foul either.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I see no try. If this is a foul, it's not a shooting foul... that said, I see no foul either.

Do you not see a try because of the apparent lack of control? Or do you not think he had begun the habitual shooting motion?

I could understand the former, but would not agree if it is the latter.