Officiating 101 - Pregame Positioning - 2 person

[ODJ]

"Officials should arrive on the court 15 minutes prior to game time."

"Gamesite" sounds like they should arrive at the school and walk in.

My area, we have the captains - with coaches - meeting in front of the table, out of the way of players warming up. About a minute total.

[REFANDUMP]

In our area, we go to the table at around the 12 minute mark. That enables us to remind coaches we need the book at the table by 10 or make any book corrections before 10. We want to try to avoid book technicals if we can, and technically it is a technical if these errors are corrected after the 10 minute mark (although, I know very few officals would assess a technical here).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

We go to the table at around the 12 minute mark. That enables us to remind coaches we need the book at the table by 10 or make any book corrections before 10. We want to try to avoid book technicals if we can, and technically it is a technical if these errors are corrected after the 10 minute mark.

Good points. From my pregame conference: On court at 15:00. Scorebook at 12:00. Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00.

[JetMetFan]

Reminder from the peanut gallery:

Names/rosters/starters don't have to be in the scorebook prior to ten minutes before tip-off. That info just has to be given to the scorer prior to ten minutes before tip (NFHS 3-2-1/NCAA 3-3-1).

[SWMOzebra]

The video designates the visitors' bench as being on the left and the umpire is observing them warming up on the right ... but the team warming up on the right side of the court appears to be wearing white.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

The video designates the visitors' bench as being on the left and the umpire is observing them warming up on the right ... but the team warming up on the right side of the court appears to be wearing white.

Good observation... I may have to make this dang video all over again!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Good observation... I may have to make this dang video all over again!

Just flip it horizontally. Sure, your text might be backwards but at least the descriptions would be right!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

The video designates the visitors' bench as being on the left and the umpire is observing them warming up on the right ... but the team warming up on the right side of the court appears to be wearing white.

Originally Posted by dvboa

Good observation... I may have to make this dang video all over again!

That was actually the very first thing I noticed. I figured they must have changed the NFHS Manual since nobody said anything about that immediately upon seeing the video

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Reminder from the peanut gallery:

Names/rosters/starters don't have to be in the scorebook prior to ten minutes before tip-off. That info just has to be given to the scorer prior to ten minutes before tip (NFHS 3-2-1/NCAA 3-3-1).

Absolutely. There are too many that actually think they must have the book completely filled out.

We do not have a definitive policy about when to check the book, but most people around here go to the table around 12:00 or a little earlier to make sure that the information is properly submitted. All I care about at that time is do they have the information submitted and then if not filled out I go do the captain's meeting immediately. Then I come back to the table and then make sure the book is taken care of before game time. Then after the book is filled out by the scorer, I go to each coach and get them to "sign off" on the information to make sure that nothing was incorrectly submitted. Once they give me their initials, I sign the book myself with my information.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

In our area, we go to the table at around the 12 minute mark. That enables us to remind coaches we need the book at the table by 10 or make any book corrections before 10. We want to try to avoid book technicals if we can, and technically it is a technical if these errors are corrected after the 10 minute mark (although, I know very few officals would assess a technical here).

If the teams have supplied the correct information to the scorer, and they transcribe it incorrectly, I'm not charging a technical foul for the corrections.

Ever.

I know some areas have the coaches proofread the book and sign off on it, and there is some rules justification for calling the T any time you make a change after 10:00. I think the spirit of the rule is clear, though, in that the intent is not to punish a team for a scorekeeper's clerical error.

[BillyMac]

"The umpire should move to the midcourt line" (1:40)

The midcourt line has been extinct for a couple of decades. It's the division line.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"The umpire should move to the midcourt line" (1:40)

The midcourt line has been extinct for a couple of decades. It's the division line.

Good catch as well. Revisions are on the way...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Good catch as well. Revisions are on the way...

Don't encourage me. It's a nit. It really didn't have to be picked. Everyone doesn't have obsessive compulsive disorder, just a few of us, and we should often just be ignored.

[REFANDUMP]

I guess I see what you are saying, but I see no advantage to doing it that way instead of waiting to check the official book. I do see an advantage to making sure the official book is correct, and avoiding a potential delay if there is a clerical error which could have been corrected before the start of play. Granted, if a number is transferred wrong, it wouldn't have mattered when it was done as we only count player numbers instead of comparing each players number to what is in the book. To each their own, I guess.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the teams have supplied the correct information to the scorer, and they transcribe it incorrectly, I'm not charging a technical foul for the corrections.

Ever.

I know some areas have the coaches proofread the book and sign off on it, and there is some rules justification for calling the T any time you make a change after 10:00. I think the spirit of the rule is clear, though, in that the intent is not to punish a team for a scorekeeper's clerical error.

Same here. I had that come up in an NYC borough championship game in '11-12. I only mention the level of the contest because the league printed flyers with the rosters and the scorekeeper used the flyer to put names/numbers in the book. Unfortunately, the league left a player off of the flyer. We were alerted and the R ruled no T since the kid couldn't have gotten into the gym if he hadn't been on the roster lsited on the league's web site.

A pregame count didn't catch it because the team in question only had nine players and there were 12 in the book.