Official NCAAM and NCAAW Proposed Rule Changes for 2013-14 Season

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by refnuts

The rule change is not a big deal. There will be almost no
10 second violations called. Teams will adjust.

The pain will be dealing with bad shot clock operators and
Having to make corrections when they screw up

That's the concern I'm hearing most often right now. It's that much larger in my case because GV in NYS uses modfied NCAAW rules so we'll be asking shot-clock operators - in NYC, mainly kids who are already "clock challenged" - to do one more thing.

[Texas Aggie]

It would have been easier had they just eliminated the player control foul, which is what most want to do anyway.

[jeschmit]

From what I found out from the classroom session with Debbie Williamson this past weekend:

Administering official will bring in subs. They will have the whistle, and hold their hand in the air until there are 5 vs 5 on the floor. (We did this at camp this past weekend, and, let me tell ya, I felt like a doofus holding my hand in the air for myself to bring in subs.)

Rule 4 will go from about 70 articles to about 35-40. They are moving things around to make them easier to find. Now you have to go to 3-4 different rules to read about the free throw, whereas in the new rules books all you'll have to do is go to Rule 8 only.

Rule 11 will be Monitor articles.

There will be two separate books for the men's and women's rules. Case books will be separate as well.

There will be a new 10 second count in the backcourt if the ball becomes dead and the offense still has the ball. So you will then go off of what the shot clock says when the ball is put back in play. (Clock awareness is going to be crucial here.)

Under 30 seconds (when the shot clock is off), there will be a visible 10 second backcourt count by the Trail official.

I think that was the main stuff besides what the OP has in their post.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

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There will be a new 10 second count in the backcourt if the ball becomes dead and the offense still has the ball. So you will then go off of what the shot clock says when the ball is put back in play. (Clock awareness is going to be crucial here.)

Under 30 seconds (when the shot clock is off), there will be a visible 10 second backcourt count by the Trail official.

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Just to want to make sure I'm clear on this. Any time the ball achieves backcourt status the time on the shot clock at that moment will determine your new 10 second count? And there will be no visible 10-second count unless the shot clock is off?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just to want to make sure I'm clear on this. Any time the ball achieves backcourt status the time on the shot clock at that moment will determine your new 10 second count? And there will be no visible 10-second count unless the shot clock is off?

that's what I heard, too. Note that this can give a team more (up to .9) than 10 seconds to get the ball across if it becomes dead after the clock has started.

And, the specific mechanics on bringing in the subs are still being developed -- and I agree it was strange.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

that's what I heard, too. Note that this can give a team more (up to .9) than 10 seconds to get the ball across if it becomes dead after the clock has started.

Only if the shot clock doesn't show tenths (of course, many don't).

Also, that really isn't any different than officials counting. I guarantee there is a lot more than 0.9 seconds of inaccuracy in most counts....usually on the slow side.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Administering official will bring in subs. They will have the whistle, and hold their hand in the air until there are 5 vs 5 on the floor. (We did this at camp this past weekend, and, let me tell ya, I felt like a doofus holding my hand in the air for myself to bring in subs.)

This is definitely a work-in-progress. During my NCAA-W camp on June 28-29, we were instructed to have the administering official whistle and wave subs in, but still have the T or C, hold their hand up. Clarification on what they exactly want will be demonstrated in the preseason videos.

Although Debbie would have a better idea of what she was looking for than an other member of the rules committee

-Josh

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just to want to make sure I'm clear on this. Any time the ball achieves backcourt status the time on the shot clock at that moment will determine your new 10 second count? And there will be no visible 10-second count unless the shot clock is off?

This is correct. The trail will have to know what the shot clock is on in order to have a proper 10 second count every time the ball achieves backcourt status.

Debbie did say that the Center can help with this, but they want the call coming from the trail unless the Center is ABSOLUTELY SURE that more than 10 seconds had elapsed while the ball is in the backcourt.

Originally Posted by jdmara

This is definitely a work-in-progress. During my NCAA-W camp on June 28-29, we were instructed to have the administering official whistle and wave subs in, but still have the T or C, hold their hand up. Clarification on what they exactly want will be demonstrated in the preseason videos.

Although Debbie would have a better idea of what she was looking for than an other member of the rules committee

-Josh

Debbie watched games at Marie's camp for a day... She provided information with how they wanted it to be done. The Center or Trail (whoever brings the subs in first), will raise their hand to initially bring them in, but then pass off the hand in the air to the administering official. Much like we do now when we pass the hand in the air off to the Center official when we are going long.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Debbie watched games at Marie's camp for a day... She provided information with how they wanted it to be done. The Center or Trail (whoever brings the subs in first), will raise their hand to initially bring them in, but then pass off the hand in the air to the administering official. Much like we do now when we pass the hand in the air off to the Center official when we are going long.

Good information. I still don't understand why the administering official is stop signing themselves but good information nonetheless

-Josh

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Good information. I still don't understand why the administering official is stop signing themselves but good information nonetheless

-Josh

It tells their partners that they've got it and they are waiting for the substitution to complete. If they put it down when there are 6 players on the court, their partners can react and prevent them form putting the ball in play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Only if the shot clock doesn't show tenths (of course, many don't).

That function gets turned off during NCAA games played in NBA or D-League arenas. There's nothing official about it in the rule book but it appears both NCAAM and NCAAW aren't into it right now.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

There will be a new 10 second count in the backcourt if the ball becomes dead and the offense still has the ball. So you will then go off of what the shot clock says when the ball is put back in play. (Clock awareness is going to be crucial here.)

On other thing regarding resets: if we have to stop the game while the ball is in the backcourt due to a timer error (i.e., the game clock starts but the shot clock doesn't) the offense gets a new 10-second count. So again, clock awareness will be big.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

This is correct for NCAAW - it was a big topic in a camp I was at last weekend.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Good information. I still don't understand why the administering official is stop signing themselves but good information nonetheless

-Josh

Basically what I been doing is if I am the table, trail or center, I hold the subs until I get the administering officials attention. This helped a lot in my games in camp.

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Does that mean now there will be a difference in when the shot clock should start after a made basket between the men's and women's game?