2013-2014 NFHS Basketball rule changes

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NFHS | Basketball Rules Changes Address Allowance of Head Coaches on Court

Adam

So they still aren't going to fix the team control mess. 🙁

rekent

Adam wrote
So they still aren't going to fix the team control mess. 🙁

But they can expand the fashion police state!! Which will probably not cut down on the use of sleeves like they want because it will be just like the arm ones now.

JRutledge

Forgive me, but what Team Control mess?

I hate the fact they now have added color restrictions to leggings or sleeves. Now that is going to harder to comply with as it will take players longer to correct that problem. Why should we care about what color for these items. Next thing we are going to say is the shoes and socks should match. 🙄

Peace

rekent

JRutledge wrote
Forgive me, but what Team Control mess?

I hate the fact they now have added color restrictions to leggings or sleeves. Now that is going to harder to comply with as it will take players longer to correct that problem. Why should we care about what color for these items. Next thing we are going to say is the shoes and socks should match. 🙄

Peace

I'm guessing he meant TC while inbounding the ball, and the ambiguities they created there.

Other than color, in practice this won't change the use of the sleeves like they want, will it? "Coach, is your team property equipped?" "Yep." same as with the arm ones.

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I guess I will have to start packing a ruler to make sure the manufacturers logo is no bigger than 2-1/4 inches.

Or just wait until someone watching on tv phones in and lets me know they violated the uniform rules.

JRutledge

rekent wrote
I'm guessing he meant TC while inbounding the ball, and the ambiguities they created there.

Other than color, in practice this won't change the use of the sleeves like they want, will it? "Coach, is your team property equipped?" "Yep." same as with the arm ones.

I would agree that maybe they could change some language, but I do not see that as a major problem. Then again this is like the horse-collar rule in football where the NF did not want to adopt the entire rule of the other levels to seem to stay independent. Then it took them 3 years to get the rule ultimately right.

And I did have to spend some time this year to get teams to have one of their players remove an arm-sleeve in order to comply. I know that if the rule was the same we would spend time trying to get players on the same page. Now I am hoping that the rule does not require all arm-sleeves and leg sleeves to be the same color. I think we would get more blowback for the leg sleeves and might expose some full length leggings in the process. At least and arm sleeve takes a second to remove.

Peace

BayStateRef

Finally made the iPad legal on the bench for coaching and stats. Just don't talk to players with it...and don't call me over and say, "Hey ref. Take a look at how badly you blew that call."

dsqrddgd909

"In addition to these rules changes, the committee approved a new defensive tip signal that will be added to the Basketball Officials Manual. This signal will be given by the official when the ball enters the backcourt as a result of contact with the defensive player."

hmmmm

HokiePaul

dsqrddgd909 wrote
"In addition to these rules changes, the committee approved a new defensive tip signal that will be added to the Basketball Officials Manual. This signal will be given by the official when the ball enters the backcourt as a result of contact with the defensive player."

Wish this were included for tipped shots as well. I've had a couple cases as the lead where an airball (shot from out of my area where I wasn't looking) has gone out of bounds and I have had to look for help from my partner to know whether it was a straight airball or a tipped shot. Or I point the other direction only to have my partner come tell me it was tipped and I change the call.

If I see my partner make a "tip ball" sign, I can make my OOB call without any doubt.

Rich

HokiePaul wrote
Wish this were included for tipped shots as well. I've had a couple cases as the lead where an airball (shot from out of my area where I wasn't looking) has gone out of bounds and I have had to look for help from my partner to know whether it was a straight airball or a tipped shot. Or I point the other direction only to have my partner come tell me it was tipped and I change the call.

If I see my partner make a "tip ball" sign, I can make my OOB call without any doubt.

If it wasn't tipped, I'm turning and walking the other way. If it was, I'm walking in your direction with a few quick steps.

If you look at me for help, I'm pointing the proper way (since I know if it was tipped or not).

Rob1968

I still wish they'd let us use 2 hands for players' numbers.

Adam

HokiePaul wrote
Wish this were included for tipped shots as well. I've had a couple cases as the lead where an airball (shot from out of my area where I wasn't looking) has gone out of bounds and I have had to look for help from my partner to know whether it was a straight airball or a tipped shot. Or I point the other direction only to have my partner come tell me it was tipped and I change the call.

If I see my partner make a "tip ball" sign, I can make my OOB call without any doubt.

I hate the tip signal on shots. Yeah, it may save half a second on an OOB call, but it causes more headaches than it's worth. I have more plays where I call a foul while my partner is giving the tip signal (in my PCA) than OOB plays where I need help.

Adam

JRutledge wrote
Forgive me, but what Team Control mess?

I hate the fact they now have added color restrictions to leggings or sleeves. Now that is going to harder to comply with as it will take players longer to correct that problem. Why should we care about what color for these items. Next thing we are going to say is the shoes and socks should match. 🙄

Peace

The fact that the team control rule does not say what they want it to mean, and when officials start reading the rule book, they're going to make rulings that were never intended by the change.

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
I am hoping that the rule does not require all arm-sleeves and leg sleeves to be the same color.

Do you think that the rule will allow for different colors like the headband/wristband/armband rule? Let's say that many players on Team A, all wearing red jerseys, are wearing white headbands. Several are wearing red wristbands, and several are wearing black arm compression sleeves (for medical reasons). Nobody's wearing any other colors. Everybody's legal? Right?

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Do you think that the rule will allow for different colors like the headband/wristband/armband rule? Let's say that many players on Team A, all wearing red jerseys, are wearing white headbands. Several are wearing red wristbands, and several are wearing black arm compression sleeves (for medical reasons). Nobody's wearing any other colors. Everybody's legal? Right?

Unless the rule is going to change, the team has to match in color with the headbands and wristbands. Then the "team" color could be different for an arm sleeve. And unless the rule is clear there could be a different color for compression sleeves on the legs. I just do not know why anyone cares about this?

Peace

Nevadaref

BillyMac wrote
Do you think that the rule will allow for different colors like the headband/wristband/armband rule? Let's say that many players on Team A, all wearing red jerseys, are wearing white headbands. Several are wearing red wristbands, and several are wearing black arm compression sleeves (for medical reasons). Nobody's wearing any other colors. Everybody's legal? Right?

Nope, the headbands and wristbands must be the same color.

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
Next thing we are going to say is the shoes and socks should match.

Full length tights? Illegal.
Compression shorts? Legal if above the knee and single color similar to color of the shorts.
Undergarments? Legal if they don't extend below the shorts.
Leg sleeves? Legal for medical reasons with color restrictions.
Socks? No rules, even if they go from the player's feet all the way up underneath the player's shorts. Socks (below) are legal.

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
The team has to match in color with the headbands and wristbands.

Nevadaref wrote
Nope, the headbands and wristbands must be the same color.

Says who?

3-5-4-A: Headbands and wristbands shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and shall be the same color for each item and all participants.

"Same color for each item."

Not, same color for both items.

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Full length tights? Illegal.
Compression shorts? Legal if above the knee and single color similar to color of the shorts.
Undergarments? Legal if they don't extend below the shorts.
Leg sleeves? Legal for medical reasons with color restrictions.

Socks? No rules, even if they go from the player's feet all the way up underneath the player's shorts. Socks (below) are legal.

Billy I am very aware of the rule. And there was once a rule about socks and the logo and I remember the silliness the NF has worried about when it comes to uniforms. I just think it is silly and open up all kinds of problems. And once again this is why there needs to be people that actually officiate or are active to make these decisions. I cannot think of any official that loves worrying about these things when we are out there to work a game. It is an annoyance at best that it even has to be addressed and mostly done out of fear that someone not associated with the game will come down on us for ignoring the rule.

Peace