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AremRed Wed Apr 17, 2013 05:40pm

Legal guarding position?
 
Player A1 has the ball and is dribbling towards his basket on a fast break. Player B1 is in front of A1 and is running down to meet A1 at the rim. Player B1 never establishes LGP. As they approach the rim, B1 is defending with his arms vertical, and his back is to A1. A1 initiates contact with B1 by lowering his shoulder to create space for a layup, and barrels through B1. My partner calls a PC foul on A1.

I thought it was a block because the defender never established LGP, regardless of if the offensive player initiated contact. What is the correct ruling for this situation?

Adam Wed Apr 17, 2013 05:42pm

PC, when two players are running in the same path, the one behind is responsible for contact. LGP not required.

JRutledge Wed Apr 17, 2013 06:41pm

PC foul all way if A1 displaced B1. B1 did not cause contact and is not responsible. LGP is there to protect the defender when contact occurs. But that does not give the offensive player to push off a defender from their movement because they have the ball.

Peace

AremRed Wed Apr 17, 2013 06:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 891293)
PC foul all way if A1 displaced B1. B1 did not cause contact and is not responsible. LGP is there to protect the defender when contact occurs. But that does not give the offensive player to push off a defender from their movement because they have the ball.

Peace

Would you say that when a defender is in LGP, he/she never initiates contact?

Adam Wed Apr 17, 2013 08:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 891294)
Would you say that when a defender is in LGP, he/she never initiates contact?

No.

AremRed Wed Apr 17, 2013 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 891300)
No.

I asked the question really badly. I'm thinking that when a player has LGP, there is very little he can do to foul someone without losing LGP. This is why "refereeing the defense" is so important, right?

Adam Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 891301)
I asked the question really badly. I'm thinking that when a player has LGP, there is very little he can do to foul someone without losing LGP. This is why "refereeing the defense" is so important, right?

A player may make movements that don't cost him LGP but are not protected by LGP.

Camron Rust Thu Apr 18, 2013 01:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 891307)
A player may make movements that don't cost him LGP but are not protected by LGP.

Like what?

Given that LGP is only relevant to block/charge, I believe that any movement that makes it a block is so because it made them lose LGP.


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