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JetMetFan Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 891368)
A total of four players, all within a very short angle of view. There isn't any reason to be watching any of them so closely you can't see the other three. I'm not saying whether you should call the toe on the line, but there really is no reason to say you can't see it.

By the book the C (in 3) and the T (in 2) is responsible for just three players on FTs - the shooter and the top two lane spaces on the opposite side. Even more reason to be able to see things.

upprdeck Mon Apr 22, 2013 09:07am

we have a player whose routine is to accept the ball and for some reason. he kicks one foot to multiple times on on the line like hs is trying to dry the floor, much like a batter does on his back foot in the dirt in baseball.. he often puts his foot 2-3 inches over the line and it has never been called in the two years i have watched him play.. of course i have seen players with their feet 4-5 inches over the line shoot shots with no call as well.

Adam Mon Apr 22, 2013 09:09am

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Originally Posted by upprdeck (Post 891672)
we have a player whose routine is to accept the ball and for some reason. he kicks one foot to multiple times on on the line like hs is trying to dry the floor, much like a batter does on his back foot in the dirt in baseball.. he often puts his foot 2-3 inches over the line and it has never been called in the two years i have watched him play.. of course i have seen players with their feet 4-5 inches over the line shoot shots with no call as well.

I don't call this, unless he doesn't pull it back before he shoots. By rule it's a violation, but I'm not going to be the only one calling it.

On the last one, I'm not sure what you're describing.

BillyMac Mon Apr 22, 2013 06:37pm

Now Cut That Out ...
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 891674)
I don't call this unless he doesn't pull it back before he shoots.

First time, I'm probably telling him to knock it off. After that, it's a violation.

Sharpshooternes Mon Apr 29, 2013 05:01am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 891674)
I don't call this, unless he doesn't pull it back before he shoots. By rule it's a violation, but I'm not going to be the only one calling it.

On the last one, I'm not sure what you're describing.

Would you grant the same leniency to defender in the top lane space who decides to go talk to his coach well after the shooter has the ball but well before he actually takes the shot? Didn't really disconcert but violated none the less.

Nevadaref Mon Apr 29, 2013 08:11am

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Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy (Post 891124)
Use your commonsense on this play...that would be my opinion.

If he/she just stepped on the line...didn't rush in for the rebound...I may have not seen it ;););)

Do you do the same thing when a player just steps on the sideline, but doesn't go around the defender?

Nevadaref Mon Apr 29, 2013 08:18am

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Originally Posted by upprdeck (Post 891672)
we have a player whose routine is to accept the ball and for some reason. he kicks one foot to multiple times on on the line like hs is trying to dry the floor, much like a batter does on his back foot in the dirt in baseball.. he often puts his foot 2-3 inches over the line and it has never been called in the two years i have watched him play.. of course i have seen players with their feet 4-5 inches over the line shoot shots with no call as well.

That's just disappointing from an officiating standpoint.
Want to bet that this player knocks off this nonsense after the first time that he gets penalized for it? If people would just officiate the game according to the rules a great deal of these silly situations would disappear.

As for your observation of players shooting 4-5 inches over the line without a violation being called, I can only say WOW!

Raymond Mon Apr 29, 2013 08:54am

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Originally Posted by upprdeck (Post 891672)
we have a player whose routine is to accept the ball and for some reason. he kicks one foot to multiple times on on the line like hs is trying to dry the floor, much like a batter does on his back foot in the dirt in baseball.. he often puts his foot 2-3 inches over the line and it has never been called in the two years i have watched him play.. of course i have seen players with their feet 4-5 inches over the line shoot shots with no call as well.

Who is "we" and what level of play is this?

JetMetFan Mon Apr 29, 2013 09:03am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 892363)
That's just disappointing from an officiating standpoint.
Want to bet that this player knocks off this nonsense after the first time that he gets penalized for it? If people would just officiate the game according to the rules a great deal of these silly situations would disappear.

Amen. If someone, somewhere had called the violation once right when it happened, it stops. Cold. The way the situation is described this isn't an accident. He knows what he's doing and he'll keep doing it until someone says stop.

As my BV assignor would say, "Sometimes y'all cause your own headaches out there."

Adam Mon Apr 29, 2013 09:11am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 892353)
Would you grant the same leniency to defender in the top lane space who decides to go talk to his coach well after the shooter has the ball but well before he actually takes the shot? Didn't really disconcert but violated none the less.

What did he do that was against the rules?

Camron Rust Mon Apr 29, 2013 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 892368)
What did he do that was against the rules?

Are you really asking that question? Or is there some hidden point you're making?

Adam Mon Apr 29, 2013 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 892389)
Are you really asking that question? Or is there some hidden point you're making?

I completely missed it, because I read passed one little word. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 892353)
Would you grant the same leniency to defender in the top lane space who decides to go talk to his coach well after the shooter has the ball but well before he actually takes the shot? Didn't really disconcert but violated none the less.

To answer the question, no, I wouldn't.

The reason:
I would not be the only official in my association calling it; the same cannot be said for the quick toe drag by the shooter.

Nevadaref Mon Apr 29, 2013 01:41pm

Obviously, his point is that he is reading the post such that the player talked with his coach while remaining in his lane space, even though the other poster used the word "go."

JetMetFan Mon Apr 29, 2013 02:25pm

So here's the problem: If we all think "I'm not going to be the only one calling it" then "it" never gets called...and we end up discussing "it" in online forums.

I've had assignors/supervisors tell me they've heard similar feelings from officials and while they understand that also doesn't absolve us from taking care of things. Their response has been make the call - assuming the call in question is supported by the rules - then let them (the supervisor/assignor) know if you took any flak. That's where they step in and give the association its marching orders. We can't get the whole "one rule, one interpretation" thing dealt with if we stay quiet.

dsqrddgd909 Mon Apr 29, 2013 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by jetmetfan (Post 892407)
so here's the problem: If we all think "i'm not going to be the only one calling it" then "it" never gets called...and we end up discussing "it" in online forums.

I've had assignors/supervisors tell me they've heard similar feelings from officials and while they understand that also doesn't absolve us from taking care of things. Their response has been make the call - assuming the call in question is supported by the rules - then let them (the supervisor/assignor) know if you took any flak. That's where they step in and give the association its marching orders. We can't get the whole "one rule, one interpretation" thing dealt with if we stay quiet.

+1.


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