The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Exception for wedding bands? (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/94766-exception-wedding-bands.html)

HokiePaul Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:28am
Exception for wedding bands?
 
Did a game with a long time official in my association (although he mostly does JV games) who during the captains meeting reminded the players that no jewlery is allowed.

He did however, note an exception during the meeting, by saying something along the lines of: "however, a wedding band may be worn if a copy of your marriage certificate is at the scorer's table".

This doesn't really come up as an issue with HS players ... but I was curious because I could not find anything in the rules/case book on this.

Does anyone know where this might come from? And is it correct under NFHS rules?

bob jenkins Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 890460)
Did a game with a long time official in my association (although he mostly does JV games) who during the captains meeting reminded the players that no jewlery is allowed.

He did however, note an exception during the meeting, by saying something along the lines of: "however, a wedding band may be worn if a copy of your marriage certificate is at the scorer's table".

This doesn't really come up as an issue with HS players ... but I was curious because I could not find anything in the rules/case book on this.

Does anyone know where this might come from? And is it correct under NFHS rules?
check your humor setting.

Rob1968 Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:32am
Sounds like a poor attempt at humor . . .

APG Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:32am
Me thinks he was joking. ;)

HokiePaul Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:39am
Obviously it was said in lighthearted way (even if it were a rule, it would not be one to highlight in the captains meeting captains meeting unless you were looking for a laugh) ...

but I wasn't sure if it was completely made up of if there was some basis for it ... old rule from many years ago? ... another sport? college level (where there might occasionally be married players)?

Altor Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:14am
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 890460)
Does anyone know where this might come from? And is it correct under NFHS rules?
AFAIK, the jewelry rule is ubiquitous in every NFHS sport: "Thou shalt not wear jewelry." Exceptions are medical and religious emblems.

Since jewelry is not a "fundamental playing rule", states may make adoptions regarding jewelry. I believe Michigan allows for a wedding band, but I've never heard of them requiring a marriage certificate. I think your partner was trying to be funny.

fullor30 Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:14am
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 890460)
Did a game with a long time official in my association (although he mostly does JV games) who during the captains meeting reminded the players that no jewlery is allowed.

He did however, note an exception during the meeting, by saying something along the lines of: "however, a wedding band may be worn if a copy of your marriage certificate is at the scorer's table".

This doesn't really come up as an issue with HS players ... but I was curious because I could not find anything in the rules/case book on this.

Does anyone know where this might come from? And is it correct under NFHS rules?
Mark?......Billy?

Raymond Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 890462)
Sounds like a poor attempt at humor . . .
It was pretty funny to me.

Raymond Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 890464)
Obviously it was said in lighthearted way (even if it were a rule, it would not be one to highlight in the captains meeting captains meeting unless you were looking for a laugh) ...

but I wasn't sure if it was completely made up of if there was some basis for it ... old rule from many years ago? ... another sport? college level (where there might occasionally be married players)?
Sounds like a rec league. In fact, it has to be a rec league. Rec leagues often have married men playing. Rec leagues often have their own set of by-laws (can wear rings/no pockets/etc).

bainsey Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:02pm
I find it humorous, but that joke would be totally lost on kids. Know your audience, Stripes.

HokiePaul Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 890481)
Sounds like a rec league. In fact, it has to be a rec league. Rec leagues often have married men playing. Rec leagues often have their own set of by-laws (can wear rings/no pockets/etc).
This was a JV game, but it may be part of his captain meeting for all types of games.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 890483)
I find it humorous, but that joke would be totally lost on kids. Know your audience, Stripes.
Apparently it was lost on me too ... thanks for the responses though

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 11, 2013 02:05pm
I allow players to participate while wearing nose rings if they have a certified authorization letter from their otolaryngologist.

BillyMac Thu Apr 11, 2013 02:21pm
Black Belts Aren't Considered Jewelry, Right ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 890460)
Wedding band.
Wedding bands are considered to be the only item of jewelry that officials should be allowed to wear during a game. Maybe that caused some confusion in your partners interpretation.

BillyMac Thu Apr 11, 2013 02:25pm
Land Of Steady Habits ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 890468)
Billy?
Not me. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we don't allow players to wear wedding bands. However, we do allow players to wear pocket watches. It because Timex has it's headquarters in Middlebury, Connecticut.

Freddy Thu Apr 11, 2013 02:52pm
Yeah, but....
 
What if the wedding ring was taped over? Would you ask to inspect underneath the tape? :D


Sorry.....

Welpe Thu Apr 11, 2013 03:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 890509)
What if the wedding ring was taped over? Would you ask to inspect underneath the tape? :D


Sorry.....
Don't be a plum....nevermind.

Adam Thu Apr 11, 2013 04:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 890509)
What if the wedding ring was taped over? Would you ask to inspect underneath the tape? :D


Sorry.....
Now you're just plumbing.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Apr 11, 2013 05:01pm
NFHS and NCAA Rules are quite specific: No jewelry for the players!

That said, game officials are a different animal. Until the late 1980's, game officials could wear only a wedding ring (nothing was said about engagement rings), then without any editorial comment, the CCA Manual stated that not even a wedding ring could be worn by the game officials.

Therefore, an official can wear a wedding ring while officiating H.S. game but cannot wear a wedding ring for a college game.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Since I had been officiating for a number of years before I married my wonderful wife, I have always removed my H.S. (then my college ring) when officiating and I even removed my Engineer's Ring when officiating, and I still remove my wedding ring when officiating.

zebraman Thu Apr 11, 2013 06:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 890529)
NFHS and NCAA Rules are quite specific: No jewelry for the players!


Therefore, an official can wear a wedding ring while officiating H.S. game but cannot wear a wedding ring for a college game.
I have always removed my wedding band when officiating. I don't feel fair about asking players to not wear any jewelry and then keeping mine on.

Adam Thu Apr 11, 2013 06:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 890540)
I have always removed my wedding band when officiating. I don't feel fair about asking players to not wear any jewelry and then keeping mine on.
I don't. I'm not playing defense and making contact with the players. If I did take it off, I'd be the only one doing it.

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 890540)
I have always removed my wedding band when officiating.
I have always removed my wedding band when officiating depending on the status of the hot moms in the bleachers. :rolleyes:

Texas Aggie Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:16pm
This happened years ago in a game I was the R in. I did the spill about jewelry and said, "look, nothing on us..." and immediately noticed my partner had a wedding ring on. I just noted, "but...if you guys are married, I'll let you get away with a wedding ring like he has." All 4 guys there chuckled and we moved on.

I've rarely encountered jewelry, and I don't think I've ever seen a ring on a player.

zebraman Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 890552)
I have always removed my wedding band when officiating depending on the status of the hot moms in the bleachers. :rolleyes:
Another excellent reason. :)

JRutledge Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 890558)
Another excellent reason. :)
I do not think you have that problem there Z. ;)

Peace

zebraman Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:05am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 890560)
I do not think you have that problem there Z. ;)

Peace
Ring or no ring, I am girl repellant.:eek:

JRutledge Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 890561)
Ring or no ring, I am girl repellant.:eek:
Come on now, we are FB friends. You cannot pull that BS on me. :D

Peace

BillyMac Fri Apr 12, 2013 06:37am
Lucky Stiff ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 890556)
I've rarely encountered jewelry, and I don't think I've ever seen a ring on a player.
Then you've never worked mens recreation games.

Raymond Fri Apr 12, 2013 06:58am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890541)
I don't. I'm not playing defense and making contact with the players. If I did take it off, I'd be the only one doing it.
I always take mine off and stick it in my left pocket. Don't know why. Think I just don't want anybody distracted by it because I always notice other officials' rings.

Rich Fri Apr 12, 2013 07:31am
I take mine off and hide it in my bag. Always have. Do it for all the sports I work.

OKREF Fri Apr 12, 2013 09:22am
Last summer at a camp, an evaluater told me we should not wear any jewelry. The book says no jewelry allowed. Those were his words not mine. I have always worn mine.

Raymond Fri Apr 12, 2013 09:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 890581)
Last summer at a camp, an evaluater told me we should not wear any jewelry. The book says no jewelry allowed. Those were his words not mine. I have always worn mine.
Which book? Rule book or manual?

VaTerp Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:50am
My wedding band is too tight and a pain to take on and off so I wear it on the court.

Nobody has ever said anything at the HS level and I have not done enough above that to really comment. I trying to work college ball so I'll just have to get it resized if it's an issue at that level.

Adam Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 890603)
My wedding band is too tight and a pain to take on and off so I wear it on the court.

Nobody has ever said anything at the HS level and I have not done enough above that to really comment. I trying to work college ball so I'll just have to get it resized if it's an issue at that level.
I had the same problem with fit until this year. Amazing how easily it spins now that I've lost 25 pounds.

rockyroad Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890607)
I had the same problem with fit until this year. Amazing how easily it spins now that I've lost 25 pounds.
Aha!

Here I was thinking I should get my ring resized...again.

VaTerp Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:00pm
I made the mistake of having my wife with me when it got sized down less than a month after my wedding. Then jamming my finger playing basketball. It's been too tight ever since (almost 7 years now).

grunewar Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:12pm
War story....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 890603)
My wedding band is too tight and a pain to take on and off so I wear it on the court.
About 15 yrs ago I slipped on some ice at my house, fell, and dislocated my ring finger. In order to x-ray and repair my finger, the hospital had to take a little saw and cut my ring off.

Now, I have a wedding band that is easily removable.........under the right circumstances.

Not that I've ever removed it! "Yes, dear....... Yes, dear..... Yes, dear....." She's behind me as I'm typing! ;)

OKREF Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:15pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 890583)
Which book? Rule book or manual?
I don't for sure. I didn't ask, and I just assumed he meant the rule book.

SWMOzebra Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 890529)
... the CCA Manual states that not even a wedding ring could be worn by the game officials.
I've simply gotten into the habit of removing my wedding ring for all levels of play. When I'm the R for a college game, I request the U1 and U2 do the same in compliance with the women's CCA manual. I have had more than one person tell me, "Forget it, I'm not taking it off." I generally just shrug my shoulders and move on to the pre-game.

mj Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:23pm
I wear mine while officiating. For me it's a little tribute to my wife who never complains about how much I'm away from the house officiating all seasons.

kk13 Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mj (Post 890627)
I wear mine while officiating. For me it's a little tribute to my wife who never complains about how much I'm away from the house officiating all seasons.
Amen, brother!

rockyroad Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 890626)
I've simply gotten into the habit of removing my wedding ring for all levels of play. When I'm the R for a college game, I request the U1 and U2 do the same in compliance with the women's CCA manual. I have had more than one person tell me, "Forget it, I'm not taking it off." I generally just shrug my shoulders and move on to the pre-game.
Why would you care if your partner(s) wear their wedding rings or not?

If You asked me that, I honestly think I would start laughing thinking that you were joking. And then I would show you that I can't take it off.

Freddy Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:57pm
I used to take mine off prior to games, then my wife always chided me, " You put that thing back in your nose.“
Then, after just about fileting my finger getting it caught on a valve at work, I don't even wear it anymore. Neither does my wife cuz the diamond looks like it is about to come off.
Not that we are a couple of free spirit libertines or anything...

MD Longhorn Fri Apr 12, 2013 01:00pm
5 sports. Levels from extreme kiddy ball to college. I have NEVER taken off my wedding ring for a game, and it's never even come up, much less become an issue.

Mark Padgett Fri Apr 12, 2013 01:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 890618)
I made the mistake of having my wife with me when it got sized down less than a month after my wedding.
Should have taken your girlfriend. :cool:

VaTerp Fri Apr 12, 2013 01:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 890638)
Should have taken your girlfriend. :cool:
From my view this may be the most amusing post I've seen you make.

SWMOzebra Fri Apr 12, 2013 02:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 890634)
Why would you care if your partner(s) wear their wedding rings or not?

If You asked me that, I honestly think I would start laughing thinking that you were joking. And then I would show you that I can't take it off.
And I've had people laugh at me. Truthfully, it makes me little difference whether people wear their wedding rings or not.

To answer your question: Because I have one supervisor in particular who has mentioned it on more than one occassion at camp. Since he has a habit of slipping into games unannounced to observe, I figure it's smart to at least ask prior to taking the floor. That way, I'm covered if it ever comes up. :D

rockyroad Fri Apr 12, 2013 04:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 890676)
And I've had people laugh at me. Truthfully, it makes me little difference whether people wear their wedding rings or not.

To answer your question: Because I have one supervisor in particular who has mentioned it on more than one occassion at camp. Since he has a habit of slipping into games unannounced to observe, I figure it's smart to at least ask prior to taking the floor. That way, I'm covered if it ever comes up. :D
Ahhhhh! Very clever of you! :D

BillyMac Fri Apr 12, 2013 04:42pm
Occupational Safety And Health Act ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890541)
I'm not playing defense and making contact with the players.
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter to me if an official wears a wedding band, or not, however, my suggestion is that officials do not wear wedding bands for safety reasons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 890635)
After just about fileting my finger getting it caught on a valve at work, I don't even wear it anymore.
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 890622)
Fell, and dislocated my ring finger. In order to x-ray and repair my finger, the hospital had to take a little saw and cut my ring off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 890618)
Then jamming my finger playing basketball.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 885852)
Way back before I retired from teaching, and before I won my in independence with a divorce decree, I was passing the gymnasium on the way out of the school and noticed the boys team shooting around. I decided to show off and take a few shots with the guys, while I was wearing my wedding band. I was only half paying attention when one of my students passed me the ball and caught the pass with my fingers extended, which jammed the fingers. I woke up the next morning with a very swollen ring finger. I showed the injury to the school nurse as soon as I got to school. The wedding band was acting like tourniquet, cutting off circulation to the finger, and because of the swelling, we couldn't get the ring off. We were on our way to the metal shop to get the ring cut off, but decided to stop by the cafeteria kitchen first. Luckily, a little butter on my finger helped to get the ring off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 887231)
When I was married, I used to take my wedding ring off when I officiated. As an official, I'm not playing, but there are many occasions where a player, or my partner, is tossing a ball to me, and I don't need any jammed fingers, or swollen fingers with the wedding band acting as a tourniquet.

Adam Fri Apr 12, 2013 06:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 890699)
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter to me if an official wears a wedding band, or not, however, my suggestion is that officials do not wear wedding bands for safety reasons.
Only one of your scenarios even remotely applies to officiating, unless you're working hockey. When I'm doing anything that requires work gloves, I take off the ring.

It's a risk reward thing. More accurately, it's a risk/risk thing. The risk of me losing my ring far outweighs the risk of jamming my finger and getting my ring stuck.

I'm more likely to injure my ring finger tying my combat boots (actually got "baseball finger" once that way) than catching a basketball.

Lcubed48 Sat Apr 13, 2013 02:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 890622)
About 15 yrs ago I slipped on some ice at my house, fell, and dislocated my ring finger. In order to x-ray and repair my finger, the hospital had to take a little saw and cut my ring off.

Now, I have a wedding band that is easily removable.........under the right circumstances.

Not that I've ever removed it! "Yes, dear....... Yes, dear..... Yes, dear....." She's behind me as I'm typing! ;)
You've been well trained by your lovely young bride, as have I.

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2013 06:03am
Maybe Not Probable, But Still Possible ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890707)
Only one of your scenarios even remotely applies to officiating.
Disagree. Only the "fileting my finger getting it caught on a valve at work" would not apply to officiating a basketball game (I used it because of the "at work" part). All the others could occur while officiating a basketball game ("fell, and dislocated my ring finger", and, "caught the pass with my fingers extended, which jammed the fingers").

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2013 06:08am
Lies, Damned Lies, And Statistics (Mark Twain) ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890707)
It's a risk reward thing. More accurately, it's a risk/risk thing. The risk of me losing my ring far outweighs the risk of jamming my finger and getting my ring stuck.
Adam's day job is as an insurance actuary. He's got the lingo down pat.

grunewar Sat Apr 13, 2013 06:58am
The only times this has come up for me is during men's games.

It has never come up as part of my officiating or what me and my P's do. A non-issue for me to date. Mine stays on.

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:22am
Her Picture Next To The Word Naive In The Dictionary ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 890635)
After just about fileting my finger getting it caught on a valve at work, I don't even wear it anymore.
And your wife buys this story?

Freddy Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:04am
View from Under the Thumb
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 890769)
And your wife buys this story?
Yep. We have a strange and wonderful relationship. She says I'm strange and she's wonderful.
I don't argue.

constable Sat Apr 13, 2013 01:45pm
Around here our assignor doesn't want us wearing any jewellery, wedding rings included.

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2013 05:03pm
The Devil Made Me Do It ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 890773)
View From Under The Thumb.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/sUibv6H99eo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LeeBallanfant Sat Apr 13, 2013 09:34pm
No Ring or Forfeit
 
One of my fondest memories as a young official was working a Rec League game with a grizzled veteran just when the jewelry rule first came in.

Team only had 5 players and one could not get Wedding Ring off. After waiting the requisite 15 minutes he forfeited the game as one team could not start 5 players

He was my hero.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:11am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1