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JetMetFan Wed Apr 10, 2013 02:28pm

Louisville-Connecticut FF1 clip (Doty/Smith)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blindzebra (Post 890172)
F1 on UCONN...contact or flop?


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blindzebra Wed Apr 10, 2013 02:42pm

I still can't see contact that would result in that reaction by the Louisville player.

JetMetFan Wed Apr 10, 2013 02:46pm

I think there was minor contact then when she felt it she went down like someone got her from the grassy knoll. If she was taught to do it, more power to her.

I have more of an issue, however, with her 86% FT shooting teammate (Antonita Slaughter) who tried to go to the line for her since Smith only shoots 64%.

rockyroad Wed Apr 10, 2013 03:56pm

I have more of a problem with the T giving that little "get up" signal with her right hand.

JetMetFan Wed Apr 10, 2013 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 890366)
I have more of a problem with the T giving that little "get up" signal with her right hand.

Yeah, I'm surprised she did that. It looks even worse when you end up going to the monitor and handing out a FF1.

Nikki Wed Apr 10, 2013 04:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 890358)
I think there was minor contact then when she felt it she went down like someone got her from the grassy knoll. If she was taught to do it, more power to her.

I have more of an issue, however, with her 86% FT shooting teammate (Antonita Slaughter) who tried to go to the line for her since Smith only shoots 64%.

agree & agree!

Raymond Wed Apr 10, 2013 04:23pm

Easy F1 in NCAA-Men's.

AremRed Wed Apr 10, 2013 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 890366)
I have more of a problem with the T giving that little "get up" signal with her right hand.

What is this, soccer??

rockyroad Wed Apr 10, 2013 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 890379)
What is this, soccer??

Nice!

Pretty much what it looked like, isn't it. And then to go to the monitor and have to issue a FF1 after doing that...ouch.

zebraman Wed Apr 10, 2013 05:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 890366)
I have more of a problem with the T giving that little "get up" signal with her right hand.

Totally agree. It's totally unprofessional..... and then when you find out there was contact, you look even more ridiculous.

blindzebra Wed Apr 10, 2013 06:26pm

I would love a view from above. Because there is still nothing that clearly shows any actual contact.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 10, 2013 06:57pm

Surprised that no one has yet commented on a few aspects of this play.
1. The crew is rotating. The C is becoming the new T and the Lead has just come strong-side.
So who has a good angle? I believe that the new T picks a poor spot to stand from which to officiate this double team. She get straight lined. The Lead actually has an open look as can be seen in the video. Would have taken guts to come get this from that distance, but would have been a crew saver. Don't think that the new C has any look to help.

2. By not blowing the whistle either for a foul or after to stop play with an injured player down (this definitely should have been done) allowed UConn a 5 v 4 "power play". They scored a basket, then play was stopped for the review. Unfortunately, the rules don't permit this basket to be cancelled when the monitor review shows that an FF1 or FF2 occurred. That is an injustice.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 10, 2013 07:03pm

Btw, JetMet, don't know if you can edit your title screen in the clip, but it says "Lousiville".

BillyMac Wed Apr 10, 2013 07:08pm

Old Joke ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 890409)
"Lousiville"

Definitely not the capital of Kentucky.

maroonx Wed Apr 10, 2013 09:24pm

Should of been a T for the Louisville flopping like that. That action needs to be called.

Camron Rust Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 890417)
Should of been a T for the Louisville flopping like that. That action needs to be called.

Why? She got smacked in the jaw.

icallfouls Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 890417)
Should of been a T for the Louisville flopping like that. That action needs to be called.

Flop?!?
That type of play is the reason the NCAA put in rules that require officials to call FF's above the shoulders. The NFHS followed suit (similarly).

Nevadaref Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 890429)
Why? She got smacked in the jaw.

Please don't feed the troll.

JetMetFan Thu Apr 11, 2013 06:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 890409)
Btw, JetMet, don't know if you can edit your title screen in the clip, but it says "Lousiville".

Hate it when I do that, especially since my regular paycheck depends, in part, on proper spelling.
It's changed. That would've haunted me to no end.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 890408)
Surprised that no one has yet commented on a few aspects of this play.
1. The crew is rotating. The C is becoming the new T and the Lead has just come strong-side.
So who has a good angle? I believe that the new T picks a poor spot to stand from which to officiate this double team. She get straight lined. The Lead actually has an open look as can be seen in the video. Would have taken guts to come get this from that distance, but would have been a crew saver. Don't think that the new C has any look to help.

2. By not blowing the whistle either for a foul or after to stop play with an injured player down (this definitely should have been done) allowed UConn a 5 v 4 "power play". They scored a basket, then play was stopped for the review. Unfortunately, the rules don't permit this basket to be cancelled when the monitor review shows that an FF1 or FF2 occurred. That is an injustice.

I noticed #1 but obviously didn't comment earlier. It would've been tough for the L to come get that 25-30 feet from the hoop, especially since your partner who is standing there just let it go. L has a clear look and she doesn't have any post play in front of her but her next action area is going to be the post where she just came from.

Here's another issue: If the L calls that as a FF1 and they go to the monitor - which they would to make sure it wasn't a FF2 - and they figure out there wasn't any contact, they can't cancel the call. Given the way the rule is written it's better to let things play out and check at the next dead ball.

As for #2, it could be argued that UConn never stopped advancing the ball and the Louisville (see, I know how to spell) player wasn't in danger.

maroonx Thu Apr 11, 2013 07:38am

Taunting

ballgame99 Thu Apr 11, 2013 08:38am

It doesn't take much contact from an elbow across the bridge of your nose to make you drop. The reaction is spontaneous and looks genuine. Looks like a textbook FF1. With her laying on the ground and knowing that this was going to be a monitor situation, play should have been stopped at the first opportunity IMO.

JetMetFan Thu Apr 11, 2013 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 890448)
Taunting

NCAA doesn't have a rule like NFHS does for faking a foul. Besides, how would that be taunting?


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