Michigan-Louisville clip rebounding no call (6:51 2nd half)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

When the player with the ball jumps and lands without releasing the ball, you have either a travel or a jump ball....not other choices if the rules are followed.

His other travel was switching the pivot foot before he dribbled....pretty clear too.

Maybe one day you'll move up from recognizing only middle school travels. THere is hope for you yet.

Well it cannot be a travel if you do not have control of the ball. It cannot be a held ball unless you judge at the NCAA level that he had control of the ball on the way down. Once again, there is a debate we can have about how much control the UL player had during his move to the basket. The UL player does try to take on two players to shoot through. It is very likely the ball is being knocked around.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it cannot be a travel if you do not have control of the ball. It cannot be a held ball unless you judge at the NCAA level that he had control of the ball on the way down. Once again, there is a debate we can have about how much control the UL player had during his move to the basket. The UL player does try to take on two players to shoot through. It is very likely the ball is being knocked around.

Peace

That's not the more noticeable travel. Dieng clearly travelled before he dribbled.

[peachbasket]

I am not a travel guy and probably would have missed the first travel on the initial rebound by Deng where he split his feet prior to dribbling....the second move he made was a travel as he lost balance and initiated contact....

On this play in retrospect, it would have been nice to get one of those travels, preferably the second one as it was most obvious, then the rest of the play would not have to be officiated.

Travels are hard in the post, especially at L when you are trying to referee contact on the torso's of each player. Sometimes, even a very wide position at L that allows L to see more of play from head to toe does not help because our focus is looking for contact. That is why we all say it is nice for T to help with travels that are obvious and no brainers - not gotchya's.

This play was at C, so while C has a wide angle, he is officiating for contact on the defender. Essentially same principles that apply to L when the play is on his near block.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it cannot be a travel if you do not have control of the ball. It cannot be a held ball unless you judge at the NCAA level that he had control of the ball on the way down. Once again, there is a debate we can have about how much control the UL player had during his move to the basket. The UL player does try to take on two players to shoot through. It is very likely the ball is being knocked around.

Peace

So, a ball that never leaves a player's hands is not in control???

WOW. Keep making stuff up. You're good at it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, a ball that never leaves a player's hands is not in control???

WOW. Keep making stuff up. You're good at it.

Never leaves his hands? You telling me the ball is not being knocked around at all?

I believe someone showed an example of a held ball and the question in the video was if the player hand complete control the entire time. That play previously in the tournament that was shown here was called a held ball and people here questioned if you could have a held ball for the very same reason I am questioning here. I guess you have never seen a ball handler try to split to players and ball get slightly knocked out of his hand, but have people want a travel when the ball handler has lost control? I see that often and do not call a travel for the very same reasons. Had that happen in the post season and me and my partner commented to each other during half time why we did not call a travel in that play. And this is about what the officials on the game saw or what they think they saw. They had a much better angle or perspective than anyone here would have. And I bet if you asked them they probably did not see control. Just like the held ball in the WSU-UL game they called a held ball quickly on one of the last possessions of that game and people debated if that was a good call.

Peace