Wichita State-Louisville held ball (Baker/Hancock 2nd half)
 

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Ok, no held ball, travelling instead after he pulls away.

For the way this game was called from the start, I don't have a problem with this call. They didn't pass on anything the whole game really. I would have liked to seen just a more patient whistle, but I think they did a pretty good job.

Can't really see enough from this video to say one way or the other.

Given that two of them called it from two different angles, it probably was. It is not likely that two officials would both call a held ball if it wasn't.

There is a shot CBS had from the half court view. That shot is a good look at it. No dout from that angle it was the right call.

I think it was close and really not easy to see on this video and from this angle. I can see why it was called, but not convinced either way.

Peace

Manly Men ???
 

Held ball ball in a middle school girls game. But these players don't look like middle school girls? If they are, then they're awfully big, and really ugly.

I agree that they could have passed on the held ball and called the travel which would have given the ball back to Louisville.

Or, they could have called a foul on either player.

Or they could have 'just let the players decide the game':rolleyes:

I have a foul. Too much contact.

I'm fine with the held ball call.

All of which came after the defender grabbed the ball and the opponent tried to twist it away from the defender.

How in the heck could the L see this, and I really don't like the C's look either. For me the definition of a held ball was not met. At most that was a 4th/5th grade girls held ball.

It amazes me that you can get so many different opinions on every call and they expect us to be consistent.

I was fine with the call before someone gets a loose fist.

I just saw another angle of the play. It was a lot more conclusive. Held ball was a good call.

Sometimes you have to just look at an official on a tough play and say, "it sucks to be him." Tough play..... lots of options. In real time, I have no problem with a held ball rather than a weak foul or a travel that might have been the result of a weak foul.

Cam -

Not sayin your wrong , but if you know the arrow favors Lville, why can't you just let that play out for another second or two, if ball pops loose then great.

The game manager in me is not blowin a damn thing unless it is WSU arrow or held for another second or two.......

Once the arrow was blown game was over !!!!

Interesting.

So if the arrow favored Wichita State, you would say it was a good call. But you don't like the call because the arrow was pointimg Louisville's way...intersting way to call a game.

And I would counter that once the Baker kid could not come down cleanly with what should have been an easy rebound, THAT is when the game was over.

I'd be OK with the call......

That's funny, considering we don't have either L's look or C's look.

Frankly, that is awful.

Who the arrow belongs too is immaterial, and should not come into your thought process at all. If it's a HB, and you pass because one team or the other has the arrow, you've just intentionally cheated the other team out of the ball on the next arrow.

I am not making any call based on what I think is the case with the arrow. Sorry, not happening. It either is a held ball or it is not. Judgment call and I have seen nothing that changes that fact on this call.

Peace

+1

So you wanted WSU to win? :eek:

You could certainly make the case that they should have waited a moment longer (still would have been a held ball since it didn't come loose) but that decision shouldn't be based on who has the arrow.

Where is the old T/new L in all of this? He is not even in the picture. He might have had the best look had he been where he needed to be at this time.

Probably heading the other way to become new lead.

If he had come back to get this, it might as well be Louisville/Baylor again....probably the worst view of all.

Who's Got The Possession Arrow ?? Who Cares ...
 

MD Longhorn and JRutledge: Great posts. I would hope that all officials agree with your held ball philosophy.

MS might have a point...
 

I think that most would agree that this was a "high impact" call. IMO such situations require that we be extra certain with what we have. Here, maybe that means we wait another split second before coming with a HB. From the camera angle, I think there's enough doubt as to whether the ball was really tied up, and I would tend to let them play on. If L'ville doesn't have the arrow, this call is not nearly as impactful.

Again...who cares who has the arrow. Was it a held ball? Sure looks like it to me.

But, just to humor you and MS, let's say they don't call that held ball. The next thing that is going to happen is the whistle will blow for a travel on the Baker kid from WS. I wonder how "impactful" that would have been?

You're assuming they'd call the travel. A lot here promote not calling travels. :eek:

I doubt it.

Cam -

Agreed....definitely not callin a travel if a foot moves a bit more in that scenario.

I have talked to three guys who worked the tourney and all of them agree (regardless of whether jb call ws correct / incorrect that knowing the arrow in
that situation is paramount.

While yes the purists out there want that a jump ball, many believe that in a game situation, that whistle ended any chances WSU had to win the game....

No, the inability to control the rebound did that.