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Adam Sat Apr 06, 2013 05:51pm

Wichita State - Louisville
 
Block call at 5:19, first half. I'd love another look.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 889462)
Block call at 5:19, first half. I'd love another look.

Probably a block, maybe even a play on.

Adam Sat Apr 06, 2013 06:00pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 889465)
Probably a block, maybe even a play on.

At full speed, at first glance, I thought the defender looked legal.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 06:09pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 889467)
At full speed, at first glance, I thought the defender looked legal.

I didn't think it was much at all, I would have preferred nothing.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 06:34pm

2nd half. 16:40. Is this a travel on Louisville.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 06:43pm

14:33 is another travel.

VTOfficial Sat Apr 06, 2013 06:46pm

OKREF beat me to it. Looked like a travel on Louisville on the rebound.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:16pm

2nd half 5:22. I don't see this one. Foul on the screen.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:39pm

An Abomination Upon the Game.
 
6.3 seconds left in the game and the AP Arrow determined if a team would or would not get the last shot of the game.

MTD, Sr.

Multiple Sports Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:43pm

MTD -

You beat me too it.....if you know arrow is favoring L- Ville, then you gotta hold whistle long as possible....but what do I know, I'm on the couch drinkin Coors Light!!!!!!

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:46pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 889485)
6.3 seconds left in the game and the AP Arrow determined if a team would or would not get the last shot of the game.

MTD, Sr.

First let me say, I think these guys did a real good job. However it seemed to me that they weren't going to pass on anything. I think it was a held ball, but could have held his whistle just a tick.

JetMetFan Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:51pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 889485)
6.3 seconds left in the game and the AP Arrow determined if a team would or would not get the last shot of the game.

MTD, Sr.

First thought when I saw the play: This summer a coach is going to suggest that any held ball in the final minute/30 secs/10 secs - pick your time frame - results in an actual jump ball.

referee99 Sat Apr 06, 2013 07:57pm

Held ball.
 
held so tightly by both players that rough play may ensue?
I did not like that call. At all.

DadofTwins Sat Apr 06, 2013 08:16pm

Q re: the double foul call late in the second half:

If the officials go to the monitor and decide that one of the double fouls was actually a Flagrant 1, does that change the restart?

Scrapper1 Sat Apr 06, 2013 08:37pm

Nobody has mentioned the GT call where the ball never got above ring level? Even in real time, I said to the TV "Ooo, I don't think so. . ."

Raymond Sat Apr 06, 2013 08:42pm

What, no comments about Les Jones' continuous motion And-1? :rolleyes:

Multiple Sports Sat Apr 06, 2013 09:43pm

BNR - that was a great call!!!!!! If you got any stones you will make that call every weekend this spring / summer at BWSC!!!!!:D:D:D

Camron Rust Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 889486)
MTD -

You beat me too it.....if you know arrow is favoring L- Ville, then you gotta hold whistle long as possible....but what do I know, I'm on the couch drinkin Coors Light!!!!!!

Why would they hold thier whistle there....they didn't hold at any other time.

After watching both games, it seemed like the crews came from two different planets.

Camron Rust Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 889493)
Nobody has mentioned the GT call where the ball never got above ring level? Even in real time, I said to the TV "Ooo, I don't think so. . ."

Wasn't it because the ball had hit the backboard?

Camron Rust Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 889495)
What, no comments about Les Jones' continuous motion And-1? :rolleyes:

Why would there be (if it is the play I'm thinking of)? It was a pretty easy and-1.

OKREF Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889521)
Why would they hold thier whistle there....they didn't hold at any other time.

I said that earlier, they didn't pass on much, and they didn't there. Where they over officiating?

Camron Rust Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:18pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 889524)
I said that earlier, they didn't pass on much, and they didn't there. Where they over officiating?

Given how D1 games normally get called, I think yes. They called a lot of stuff that normally gets passed on.

Referee24.7 Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:00am

Not that I'm any special ref, but I think Hess' jump ball call in that situation was a tad "knee-jerk" at best. . .

Gotta let players decide that situation. . .just my $.02 cents worth. . .

Adam Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:15am

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Originally Posted by Referee24.7 (Post 889533)
Gotta let players decide that situation.

>Shiver<

Nevadaref Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:16am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889522)
Wasn't it because the ball had hit the backboard?

Not a factor if the ball isn't entirely above the ring.

JRutledge Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:29am

All I will say is I saw one of the officials out after the game. He was with another guy that I beleve worked the tournament but not that far.

Peace

tmagan Sun Apr 07, 2013 02:49am

Everyone says Karl Hess called the jump ball, I just looked at the video and it was Terry Wymer who called it.

Camron Rust Sun Apr 07, 2013 04:35am

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Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 889541)
Everyone says Karl Hess called the jump ball, I just looked at the video and it was Terry Wymer who called it.

Two of them called it...IIRC.

Scrapper1 Sun Apr 07, 2013 08:20am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889522)
Wasn't it because the ball had hit the backboard?

Yes, that's why it was called. Unfortunately, the rule states that a ball is considered to be on its downward flight if it is touched after it hits the backboard and is completely above the height of the rim.

Since the ball never made it above the rim (and it wasn't even close, really), it should have been ruled as a legal blocked shot.

The_Rookie Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:37am

Mars Vs Venus
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889521)
Why would they hold thier whistle there....they didn't hold at any other time.

After watching both games, it seemed like the crews came from two different planets.

I think this is an interesting comment..Can you expand on what differences you noticed between how the games were called?

Thanks!

Raymond Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 889537)
All I will say is I saw one of the officials out after the game. He was with another guy that I beleve worked the tournament but not that far.

Peace

Both bald, one a lot taller than the other?

Camron Rust Sun Apr 07, 2013 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 889555)
I think this is an interesting comment..Can you expand on what differences you noticed between how the games were called?

Thanks!

In the first game there were a lot of whistles on plays that the 2nd crew passed on....rebounds with no possession consequence , minor touches that had no effect on anyone, etc. They were not waiting the F in SDF before they called something. It was as if they wanted to be on top of the game and to control it. Take, for example, that block called in this thread: http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-1st-half.html

Rich Sun Apr 07, 2013 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 889485)
6.3 seconds left in the game and the AP Arrow determined if a team would or would not get the last shot of the game.

MTD, Sr.

No more an abomination than a jump ball. I never get the fascination with the jump ball. A 6'1" guard ties up a 6'9" forward and the team with the 6'9" player should get the ball 99% of the time because their guy's taller?

Idiotic. More so than the AP arrow.

fullor30 Sun Apr 07, 2013 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 889537)
All I will say is I saw one of the officials out after the game. He was with another guy that I beleve worked the tournament but not that far.

Peace

See FA from MSL down there?

Brad Sun Apr 07, 2013 09:13pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 889521)
After watching both games, it seemed like the crews came from two different planets.

Not true ... the coaches said all of the officials came from Uranus.


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