What high school coaches want

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If this means when the last call was a block, the next call should also be a block, I can't disagree enough.

Last summer at a camp I attended this was told to us.

If you have contact and a foul on one end, then the next trip on the other end if you have contact that is equal to or greater than what was just called you need to have a foul.

Conversely

If you have contact and no foul called, then the next trip, if you have contact that is equal to or less than what was just passed on you need to pass on it.

Consistency among the crew was his point.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Last summer at a camp I attended this was told to us.

If you have contact and a foul on one end, then the next trip on the other end if you have contact that is equal to or greater than what was just called you need to have a foul.

Conversely

If you have contact and no foul called, then the next trip, if you have contact that is equal to or less than what was just passed on you need to pass on it.

Consistency among the crew was his point.

SO what would you do if you had contact at one end with no foul called and the pg powered through the (reach/hold/push off) and advances the ball. But the PG then applies similar pressure and contact to the less athletic player on the return trip and it drags them to the floor.

All actions and contact are not = .

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

SO what would you do if you had contact at one end with no foul called and the pg powered through the (reach/hold/push off) and advances the ball. But the PG then applies similar pressure and contact to the less athletic player on the return trip and it drags them to the floor.

All actions and contact are not = .

I think you are taking what (at face value) is pretty sound advice and over-analyzing it.

[Adam]

How many coaches bother asking what officials want?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Adam

How many coaches bother asking what officials want?

How many camp sessions have we sat through where they bring in the coach(es) and they tell us all this stuff, and tell us how much they respect us and the job we do...then 4 or 5 months later there is that same coach yelling and stomping their foot and wondering why they just got T'd up.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

How many camp sessions have we sat through where they bring in the coach(es) and they tell us all this stuff, and tell us how much they respect us and the job we do...then 4 or 5 months later there is that same coach yelling and stomping their foot and wondering why they just got T'd up.

What I wonder is this . . .
After a game that, say, our crew didn't do its best, given what we had to work with or because we didn't have our "A" game that night, or after a game on which I felt I wasn't as good as I could have been, a sense of both feeling bad about it (yes, you can call it guilt, I guess) and of personal resolve to do better--to really nail it--on the next assignment results. Honest self-assessment leads properly to self-improvement.
On the other hand, does the occasional butt-head coach after his typical rant and rave and act just plain stupid game ever say to himself, "Ya know, I was a real A&$ tonight. I could have been more sportsmanlike. I feel bad about that and I'm gonna give it my all to be better on the sideline the next game. I've just got to improve myself."
Since the coaches who usually appear at our camps aren't the butt-heads, I guess I'll never know unless I ask one of the number I encounter occasionally during the season.
But I don't think so.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

What I wonder is this . . .
After a game that, say, our crew didn't do its best, given what we had to work with or because we didn't have our "A" game that night, or after a game on which I felt I wasn't as good as I could have been, a sense of both feeling bad about it (yes, you can call it guilt, I guess) and of personal resolve to do better--to really nail it--on the next assignment results. Honest self-assessment leads properly to self-improvement.
On the other hand, does the occasional butt-head coach after his typical rant and rave and act just plain stupid game ever say to himself, "Ya know, I was a real A&$ tonight. I could have been more sportsmanlike. I feel bad about that and I'm gonna give it my all to be better on the sideline the next game. I've just got to improve myself."
Since the coaches who usually appear at our camps aren't the butt-heads, I guess I'll never know unless I ask one of the number I encounter occasionally during the season.
But I don't think so.

I had such an experience. I had a close block/charge call with under 3 minutes remaining in a game which went against the team behind by 7. The coach complained as I went to report and followed me up the sideline. I told him to walk away. Well, after reporting I found him standing next to me near the jump circle! (I had purposely moved way out there to report to give him some distance.) At this time I calmly told him that I had to T him now and "look where you are."
He went back to his bench, I went to the other end of the court to administer FTs, and my partner informed him of the seat belt ruling and let him vent for a few seconds.
Anyway, this team lost by about a dozen and around a week later my partner and me received an email from this coach apologizing for his behavior and praising the manner in which we dealt with it. It was certainly sincere and I will be pleased to see this guy on the sideline in the future.
So, yes, there are coaches out there who reflect upon what they do and take responsibility.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Last summer at a camp I attended this was told to us.

If you have contact and a foul on one end, then the next trip on the other end if you have contact that is equal to or greater than what was just called you need to have a foul.

Conversely

If you have contact and no foul called, then the next trip, if you have contact that is equal to or less than what was just passed on you need to pass on it.

Consistency among the crew was his point.

All this is a theory, and a good one, but that's all it is. You give this to the wrong coach, and all you have is more food for argument.

"C'mon, ref, that contact was equal to or greater than what you just called on us!!"

"No, coach, it wasn't even close."

Consistency is a by-product of good officiating, not a building block.

A pitch on the outside corner is a strike. The next pitch, also on the outside corner, is also a strike, because it was on the outside corner, not because it was in any way similar to the last pitch. The next pitch is a micro-inch further outside, still very similar, but it is a ball.