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JetMetFan Wed Apr 03, 2013 09:10am

Louisville-Baylor final foul clip
 
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Raymond Wed Apr 03, 2013 09:27am

There is no doubt that was a foul.

Why was Griner up on the play instead of back defending the paint. :eek:

OKREF Wed Apr 03, 2013 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 888841)
There is no doubt that was a foul.

Why was Griner up on the play instead of back defending the paint. :eek:

I thought that live. When she comes out that girl goes right by her.

Welpe Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:16am

Multiple Foul.... :D

Can you imagine what Yosemite Sam...I mean Mulkey would've done had that actually been called?

VaTerp Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:44pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 888842)
I thought that live. When she comes out that girl goes right by her.

Those were my thoughts watching as well.

Griner should have been protecting the paint not trying to play defense and barely moving her feet 40' from the basket.

And that's one of the main reasons that despite many of the problems I have with some of the officiating in this game, Baylor and Mulkey have nobody to blame but themselves for this loss.

JRutledge Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:52pm

And you wonder why Baylor coach was out coached?

Peace

Judtech Wed Apr 03, 2013 01:23pm

That foul was a 'pick 'em' between 32 and 42. I still would have liked to see some more hustle from the C because she had an absolutely horrible look at it. If she would have kept hustling thru the play she would have been in a much better spot to see the play. IMO, this is why the L double clutches because it was so obvious there was a foul he just reflexively thought C had a whistle.

Yep. Let the 6'8 player who leads the world in blocked shots NOT be in the paint preventing this exact type of play!

ballgame99 Wed Apr 03, 2013 01:23pm

Poor defensive strategy aside, is there really that much illegal contact here?

First defender jumps vertically, swings wildly and misses, Griner blocks the shot up top and there is some marginal contact from behind. Not saying I wouldn't have called a foul there in real time, but on replay the contact isn't that great and was embellished by the shooter. The shooter's knee buckling when she took off made this play look like she got mugged when she didn't.

#olderthanilook Wed Apr 03, 2013 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 888929)
poor defensive strategy aside, is there really that much illegal contact here?

First defender jumps vertically, swings wildly and misses, griner blocks the shot up top and there is some marginal contact from behind. Not saying i wouldn't have called a foul there in real time, but on replay the contact isn't that great and was embellished by the shooter. The shooter's knee buckling when she took off made this play look like she got mugged when she didn't.

+1

Welpe Wed Apr 03, 2013 01:37pm

Looks like B32 is jumping into the shooter and contacts her with her hip. Griner hits her in the back and head with her right arm.

OKREF Wed Apr 03, 2013 01:58pm

I don't know if the L was necessarily waiting on the C or not. It looks to me like he double clutches because he was initially going to call the ball out of bounds and give it to Louisville. He then changes his mind and goes with the foul. I could be wrong, just a thought.

BigBaldGuy Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:21am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 888911)
And you wonder why Baylor coach was out coached?

Peace

Her outfit was way too conservative....LOL!

BigBaldGuy Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 888928)
That foul was a 'pick 'em' between 32 and 42. I still would have liked to see some more hustle from the C because she had an absolutely horrible look at it. If she would have kept hustling thru the play she would have been in a much better spot to see the play. IMO, this is why the L double clutches because it was so obvious there was a foul he just reflexively thought C had a whistle.

Yep. Let the 6'8 player who leads the world in blocked shots NOT be in the paint preventing this exact type of play!

There is no reason for the Lead to double clutch at all. The lead is in great position, pitching the paint, and it is an obvious foul...go get it...if we have a double whistle that is even better. Do you think the Center was gun shy after making the offensive, pass and crash, call 10 seconds earlier?

BigBaldGuy Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 888928)
That foul was a 'pick 'em' between 32 and 42. I still would have liked to see some more hustle from the C because she had an absolutely horrible look at it. If she would have kept hustling thru the play she would have been in a much better spot to see the play. IMO, this is why the L double clutches because it was so obvious there was a foul he just reflexively thought C had a whistle.

Yep. Let the 6'8 player who leads the world in blocked shots NOT be in the paint preventing this exact type of play!

The center official is below the free throw line when the foul happens...where do you want her to be? Does she get blocked out, straight lined, by Griner? Thoughts.

VaTerp Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 888946)
I don't know if the L was necessarily waiting on the C or not. It looks to me like he double clutches because he was initially going to call the ball out of bounds and give it to Louisville. He then changes his mind and goes with the foul. I could be wrong, just a thought.

That's how I see it too. I think the double clutch is from going up with a hand and then changing it to a fist.

In the L's defense, I kinda agree with the previous post about it looking like much more illegal contact than it actually was.

But Griner did get her from behind, it was a foul, and you would like to see stronger mechanics in that situation.

johnny d Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:11pm

Is there a difference between pinching the paint and pitching the paint?:D

icallfouls Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy (Post 889096)
The center official is below the free throw line when the foul happens...where do you want her to be? Does she get blocked out, straight lined, by Griner? Thoughts.

Minor point, but she was not below the FT line extended. She had pulled up and walked into position just above the FT and had moved to a position that was at best even with FT.

Regardless, she was completely blocked out as she had two defenders between her and the UL shooter. It would have been a complete guess on her part.

But her view of the previous B/C play was worse and she put a whistle on that ;)

Judtech Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy (Post 889096)
The center official is below the free throw line when the foul happens...where do you want her to be? Does she get blocked out, straight lined, by Griner? Thoughts.

You might want to re watch the video. The C never breaks the FT line extended, even after the whistle.

EDIT. ICall beat me to it

cmb Sat Apr 06, 2013 09:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 888929)
Poor defensive strategy aside, is there really that much illegal contact here?

First defender jumps vertically, swings wildly and misses, Griner blocks the shot up top and there is some marginal contact from behind. Not saying I wouldn't have called a foul there in real time, but on replay the contact isn't that great and was embellished by the shooter. The shooter's knee buckling when she took off made this play look like she got mugged when she didn't.

Agreed

Raymond Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:13am

aftermath:

NCAA suspends Baylor coach Kim Mulkey for one tournament game - CBSSports.com

Additionally, Bill Self and Marshall Henderson receive some discipline:

NCAA hands out reprimands to Bill Self, Marshall Henderson - CBSSports.com

JetMetFan Tue Jul 02, 2013 07:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 899150)

Had Baylor not lost that game I wonder if the NCAA would've taken action before the regional final?

Nevadaref Tue Jul 02, 2013 08:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 899176)
Had Baylor not lost that game I wonder if the NCAA would've taken action before the regional final?

No. Kansas and Wichita both won and personnel from those schools didn't face any discipline until now either. It takes the NCAA several weeks to deal with such issues.

Unless the coach is also going to lose part of her salary while not coaching the 1st game of the next NCAA tournament, I don't think that the penalty is stiff enough. The coach doesn't care about sitting a first round game against some cupcake. Should have been a ban for the ENTIRE tournament, no matter how far her team advances.

APG Tue Jul 02, 2013 08:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 899179)

Unless the coach is also going to lose part of her salary while not coaching the 1st game of the next NCAA tournament, I don't think that the penalty is stiff enough. The coach doesn't care about sitting a first round game against some cupcake. Should have been a ban for the ENTIRE tournament, no matter how far her team advances.

That's a pipe dream if I ever heard one.

Adam Tue Jul 02, 2013 09:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 899179)
No. Kansas and Wichita both won and personnel from those schools didn't face any discipline until now either. It takes the NCAA several weeks to deal with such issues.

Unless the coach is also going to lose part of her salary while not coaching the 1st game of the next NCAA tournament, I don't think that the penalty is stiff enough. The coach doesn't care about sitting a first round game against some cupcake. Should have been a ban for the ENTIRE tournament, no matter how far her team advances.

She did lose out on her per diem payment, the only portion of her pay controlled by the NCAA. It isn't much, though, and doesn't really detract from your point; except to note the NCAA doesn't seem to have the authority to dock pay.


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