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Old Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:09pm
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Video Request: WSU vs OSU (Video Added)

7:03 in the second half.

OSU player is called for a block (in the restricted area) but I am wondering if it would be a charge anywhere else on the court? They show two good replays.

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Old Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:22pm
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About 4:02 on the clock there is an out of bounds play that it appears the thrower does not get back in bounds when the ball is passed back to him form WSU. Replay shows he might have gotten his heel up when he contacts the ball.

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Old Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:47pm
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3:01 of 2nd half..Player Control foul

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Old Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:53pm
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2nd half: PC at 18:40
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Old Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:02pm
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Clip please Jetmetfan:

3:01 of 2nd half..Player Control foul

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Saw it live. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the ball handler definitely made it easy for the calling official. He stiff armed the defender who gave a pretty good performance throwing himself backward. Embellished by the defender...but still a good call.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:11pm
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Saw it live. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the ball handler definitely made it easy for the calling official. He stiff armed the defender who gave a pretty good performance throwing himself backward. Embellished by the defender...but still a good call.
At 3:01...I stand corrected...more of an offensive arm bar than a stiff arm. Still, a good call I think.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:35am
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I wish I remember when this play happened, but hopefully someone else will. An OSU player got called for a PC, and he got the WSU player pretty good on the chin with his elbow on the way up. They went to the monitor and came back with nothing. With some of the other elbows that have gotten called in the tournament (I don't remember what game it was, but the player who got a FF1 who was past his defender, but accidentally hit him with his arm as he was running by) I thought it could have been a FF1. It looked to me like it fit non-excessive elbow contact above the shoulders, but I am curious to hear what some other guys think.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:05pm
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I wish I remember when this play happened, but hopefully someone else will. An OSU player got called for a PC, and he got the WSU player pretty good on the chin with his elbow on the way up. They went to the monitor and came back with nothing. With some of the other elbows that have gotten called in the tournament (I don't remember what game it was, but the player who got a FF1 who was past his defender, but accidentally hit him with his arm as he was running by) I thought it could have been a FF1. It looked to me like it fit non-excessive elbow contact above the shoulders, but I am curious to hear what some other guys think.
Didn't see it but since they already called a foul maybe they didn't feel the need to upgrade. On the other plays you are referencing there were no fouls originally called. Once they went to the monitor they could only come back with either nothing or some type of flagrant.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:38am
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7:03 in the second half.

OSU player is called for a block (in the restricted area) but I am wondering if it would be a charge anywhere else on the court? They show two good replays.

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It looked to me like a PC if his feet weren't on the line.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:32am
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2nd half: PC at 18:40



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7:03 in the second half.

OSU player is called for a block (in the restricted area) but I am wondering if it would be a charge anywhere else on the court? They show two good replays.



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About 4:02 on the clock there is an out of bounds play that it appears the thrower does not get back in bounds when the ball is passed back to him form WSU. Replay shows he might have gotten his heel up when he contacts the ball.



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Offensive foul elbow: I agree with how the officials made this call. It was a PC foul, but the elbow was clearly as part of a move for the shot. This should not have been a FF1, but is an issue with consistency of the calls.

RA Block on OSU: I personally think the OSU defender was moving to the right as the shooter went up in the air. Now the question is, was he pushed to the left by the post player in the first place? I think this was a good call by the officials.

WSU PC Foul: This was the most obvious of all of them for me. The WSU player and the OSU defender were going in the same direction and the WSU player leaned into the OSU player and extended the arm into him. No Brainer in my opinion.

Out of bounds call: I see two potential issues on this play. One, does he have the left foot inbounds prior to touching the ball? I don't think he does, which means he has never established any position inbounds when he caught the ball. I think this is what the official calls, because it does look like the heel is up prior to him catching the ball. I think everyone focused on the rear foot they forgot to look at the front foot which never came down before he caught the ball. This seems pretty clear on the view from behind the play, not as clear on the main camera view.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 11:38am
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I have a block.

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7:03 in the second half.

OSU player is called for a block (in the restricted area) but I am wondering if it would be a charge anywhere else on the court? They show two good replays.

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Defender moved into the path of airborne shooter.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:16pm
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Defender moved into the path of airborne shooter.
No chance. The shooter wasn't airborne and the defender had two feet down in the spot where he took the contact. Without the RA, I have a charge.
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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:23pm
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Defender moved into the path of airborne shooter.
I see his feet there before the player went airborne. I would have a charge in a HS game on this one and college one if not for the RA.

Now do you want to debate this when the still picture is shown and I am proven right and you are proven wrong? (Yes that is sarcasm)

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Old Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:09pm
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By all accounts it look like he got the out of bounds correct as well.

They showed a replay but it was close and this was slowed down and I am more confident that this was correct. I guess the only issue is was the heel off the floor, but he is standing right there.

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