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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 11:03am
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I'm not looking to denigrate.

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1. Doubt it. He'd been in LGP since Tuesday.
2. It's really hard to use this clip to denigrate high school refs when it was missed by an Elite 8 level NCAA official.
... to criticize unfairly.

Just a matter of fact from my observation. Offensive player begins shooting motion, defender 'moves', contact occurs... block.
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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 11:10am
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Now, put this same play in a thousand high school gyms across the country. Boys, girls, rural, city. Exact same play.

What percentage of high school officials call this a block?

I would say at LEAST 75%. At least.
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1. Doubt it. He'd been in LGP since Tuesday.
2. It's really hard to use this clip to denigrate high school refs when it was missed by an Elite 8 level NCAA official.
I see a lot of blocks called on plays that are obviously charges at the high school level. And the justifications for them are often not rules based. I have heard everything from "He leaned back too soon" or "He was not set..." and they call a block. And all officials will occasionally miss these calls, but it is really not as hard a call as many of us make it out to be. I think NCAA doe a better job calling charges to the point the media is complaining about how many charges are called.

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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 11:44am
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... I think NCAA does a better job calling charges to the point the media is complaining about how many charges are called.
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About a week ago, in transition, defender sets up. Planted. Straight up. Offensive player straight into him. 100% charge.

TV commentator, "I think there should be more leeway given to the offensive player in transition on plays like that"
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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 11:46am
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... to criticize unfairly.

Just a matter of fact from my observation. Offensive player begins shooting motion, defender 'moves', contact occurs... block.
If you are insisting that moving is somehow illegal, you damage your believability....or are you saying that is how some HS officials call it (but not you...i now see that it was someone else who earlier suggested that moving was illegal)????
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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 11:55am
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the latter..

that is how I see this play called (and explained).
Which, of course, produces a cycle of the players, coaches, and fans 'learning' that this is a block.
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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:20pm
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If you are insisting that moving is somehow illegal, you damage your believability....or are you saying that is how some HS officials call it (but not you...i now see that it was someone else who earlier suggested that moving was illegal)????
Are you suggesting that all movement to the left or right by a defender is legal?
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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:22pm
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Are you suggesting that all movement to the left or right by a defender is legal?
He does not have to say all, but the rules allow movement left and right of a player that has obtained LGP.

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Old Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:27pm
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... to criticize unfairly.

Just a matter of fact from my observation. Offensive player begins shooting motion, defender 'moves', contact occurs... block.
Your sweeping assessment (75%) is certainly unfair given you judged officials across the country rather than isolating it to your area.
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Are you suggesting that all movement to the left or right by a defender is legal?
If the opponent is on the floor, has the ball, and the defender previously obtained LGP, yes.
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If the opponent is on the floor, has the ball, and the defender previously obtained LGP, yes.
I agree with this. If LGP has been established, the defense may move left or right, prior to the offensive player being in the air.
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