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pfan1981 Sat Mar 30, 2013 07:31pm

UConn Women Technical (Video Added)
 
Right before half, Connecticut drives the lane and gets mauled. No call, Geno loses it and is at half court, but doesn't get a technical. So he gets pulled back to the bench, then goes to the L to get his technical. According to the broadcasters the crew only called 5 fouls in the first half when more should have been called.

How can you have a no call on this? I guess if the L saw a clean block :confused:

pfan

JetMetFan Sat Mar 30, 2013 09:08pm

He did get a T. They talked about it on the broadcast coming out of halftime.

AremRed Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 887793)
He did get a T. They talked about it on the broadcast coming out of halftime.

He is talking about the play being a no-call, not the technical.

Adam Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:41pm

Geno thinks he doesn't get calls because he's a guy. Or because he's Italian. Or because he's an idiot. I can't remember which.

Sometimes, calls are just missed. Without seeing the video, I can't say which it was.

JRutledge Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:06pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 887803)
Geno thinks he doesn't get calls because he's a guy. Or because he's Italian. Or because he's an idiot. I can't remember which.

Sometimes, calls are just missed. Without seeing the video, I can't say which it was.

I would think a lot of coaches would love to be a coach that does not get calls with his success. Geno is a baby and never liked him with all that whining.

Peace

Adam Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887809)
I would think a lot of coaches would love to be a coach that does not get calls with his success. Geno is a baby and never liked him with all that whining.

Peace

+1

Maybe we should call him coach Kgeno?

JetMetFan Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:35am

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Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 887800)
He is talking about the play being a no-call, not the technical.

Sorry about that. Read the OP quickly on the way out of the house.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:53am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 887803)
Geno thinks he doesn't get calls because he's a guy. Or because he's Italian. Or because he's an idiot. I can't remember which.

Sometimes, calls are just missed. Without seeing the video, I can't say which it was.


Adam:

I am in the Mafia from Youngstown, Ohio, and I know where you live, :p.

MTD, Sr.

Judtech Sun Mar 31, 2013 08:02am

It was a missed call. Which is probably why it took so long for the T. I will say Geno has mellowed over the years.

JetMetFan Sun Mar 31, 2013 09:40am

Maryland-Connecticut (W) clip(s)
 
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Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 887775)
Right before half, Connecticut drives the lane and gets mauled. No call, Geno loses it and is at half court, but doesn't get a technical. So he gets pulled back to the bench, then goes to the L to get his technical.

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JetMetFan Sun Mar 31, 2013 09:41am

My guess is I'm going to be seeing this play again in the fall as part of the NCAAW officiating video under "Bench Decorum."

Adam Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:22am

Regarding the drive. That's not mauled. It's a foul, and it's one I would call, but it hardly warrants the fit Kgeno throws.

Rich Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28am

Didn't seem to have a strong C on that drive.

At first I thought there was a travel to start the drive, but I was wrong.

mj Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:37am

Um yeah, someone has to have something on that shot. Geno should've been T'ed earlier than what he was but the rope was probably pretty long due to the missed call.

I thought Geno should've been in the previous game when screaming across the court 'you're terrible.' Pretty sure there was an f-bomb in there too.

JetMetFan Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:10am

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Originally Posted by mj (Post 887868)
Um yeah, someone has to have something on that shot. Geno should've been T'ed earlier than what he was but the rope was probably pretty long due to the missed call.

That's not going to be much of an excuse once the phone call comes from the observer and/or Debbie Williamson (if the crew didn't all have messages on their cells by the time they hit the locker for halftime I'd be shocked).

For at least the last three years the NCAAW officiating video has included a section on bench decorum (and yes, Geno has been prominent). Geno not getting rung up immediately when he's at the division line? :eek:

Adam Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:13am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 887874)
That's not going to be much of an excuse once the phone call comes from the observer and/or Debbie Williamson (if the crew didn't all have messages on their cells by the time they hit the locker for halftime I'd be shocked).

For at least the last three years the NCAAW officiating video has included a section on bench decorum (and yes, Geno has been prominent). Geno not getting rung up immediately when he's at the division line? :eek:

Thank you. My initial thought upon reading mj's offered excuse was, "I hope not."

He still should act like an adult.

zebraman Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:17am

I really hope that the thinking of the officials on that play wasn't, "well the block up above was clean so let's ignore the body contact." 90% block and 10% body I can live with. That did not fit that philosophy.

How can that not T him up immediately when he is at mid-court? And by the way, it doesn't frickin' matter who T's him up. Anyone can get him. Was it because he wasn't on their end of the floor when he exploded or because they thought they might have missed the call? Geeze, I get tired of those excuses for not calling a T.

Judtech Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:56am

The C in the play is one of if not the best official on the women's side. Glad to see we are all human :o

onetime1 Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:09pm

Dumb Tech.. why not just wait another 7 seconds and take your verbal shot walking to the locker room thus not giving the other team points. I like the no call. Great Block

Rich Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887891)
I like the no call. Great Block

That's just crazy.

JRutledge Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 887876)
I really hope that the thinking of the officials on that play wasn't, "well the block up above was clean so let's ignore the body contact." 90% block and 10% body I can live with. That did not fit that philosophy.

How can that not T him up immediately when he is at mid-court? And by the way, it doesn't frickin' matter who T's him up. Anyone can get him. Was it because he wasn't on their end of the floor when he exploded or because they thought they might have missed the call? Geeze, I get tired of those excuses for not calling a T.

The contact took place because you have a defender that jumped into a shooter. If anything the contact caused the block, not the other way around. I saw this last night and could not understand why it was not called. And two officials had a shot to call this and passed.

Peace

OKREF Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887891)
Dumb Tech.. why not just wait another 7 seconds and take your verbal shot walking to the locker room thus not giving the other team points. I like the no call. Great Block

You have got to be kidding. Totally absurd.

APG Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887891)
Dumb Tech.. why not just wait another 7 seconds and take your verbal shot walking to the locker room thus not giving the other team points. I like the no call. Great Block

Yeah, except when he still gets whacked and the other team starts the 2nd half with free throws...thus still giving the other team points.

zebraman Sun Mar 31, 2013 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887901)
The contact took place because you have a defender that jumped into a shooter. If anything the contact caused the block, not the other way around. I saw this last night and could not understand why it was not called. And two officials had a shot to call this and passed.

Peace

I agree completely. I was simply wondering if the reason they passed was because there was a huge block up above. Obviously the contact below was far too great to ignore ...... but it would not be the first time officials passed on a foul because the "block was big so let's ignore the contact."

Adam Sun Mar 31, 2013 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887891)
Dumb Tech.. why not just wait another 7 seconds and take your verbal shot walking to the locker room thus not giving the other team points. I like the no call. Great Block

Shirley you can't be serious.

BillyMac Sun Mar 31, 2013 02:48pm

Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Feed Me ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 887875)
He still should act like an adult.

"I'm 59 years old and there I was acting like I was 12. It's wasn't very smart of me. I'm just as stupid as I was when I was 29." (Geno Auriemma)

VTOfficial Sun Mar 31, 2013 03:09pm

Oh my...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887891)
Dumb Tech.. why not just wait another 7 seconds and take your verbal shot walking to the locker room thus not giving the other team points. I like the no call. Great Block

I agree with Rich, OKREF, Adam and hopefully 99% of the officials on this forum. Not calling this is crazy especially at this level and with 2 sets of eyes of the play. I can understand the UCONN coach going nuts but that still doesn't justify his actions. The tech should have come when he was charging to halfcourt but at least he did get whacked.

onetime1 Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 887907)
Yeah, except when he still gets whacked and the other team starts the 2nd half with free throws...thus still giving the other team points.

Good point.. I usually see officials look to give Techs when a coach is on the way to the locker room. And one usually sees a ton of NCAA tourney games starting the 2nd half with free throws. I like the block, big blocks small player shot let it ride too many stoppages and game interruptions anyway.

Adam Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887997)
Good point.. I usually see officials look to give Techs when a coach is on the way to the locker room. And one usually sees a ton of NCAA tourney games starting the 2nd half with free throws. I like the block, big blocks small player shot let it ride too many stoppages and game interruptions anyway.

I've never seen a tourney game start the second half with free throws. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't heard of it, let alone seen it. I probably forgot about a couple, but I doubt I forgot about "a ton."

As for the block, the defender clearly took out the shooter with her body as she was getting the ball. Clean up top does not mean you get to flatten the shooter in the process.

Camron Rust Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:20pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887997)
Good point.. I usually see officials look to give Techs when a coach is on the way to the locker room. And one usually sees a ton of NCAA tourney games starting the 2nd half with free throws. I like the block, big blocks small player shot let it ride too many stoppages and game interruptions anyway.

I like big blocks too but that defender went through to the shooter to get to the ball. That was a foul.

JRutledge Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:23pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 888004)
I've never seen a tourney game start the second half with free throws. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't heard of it, let alone seen it. I probably forgot about a couple, but I doubt I forgot about "a ton."

As for the block, the defender clearly took out the shooter with her body as she was getting the ball. Clean up top does not mean you get to flatten the shooter in the process.

I have had that happen to me a couple of times. One I called the other was a partner. But that has been over 10 years ago, so it is rare for sure.

Clean up top means you get to the ball cleanly first. That did not happen on this play. There should always be expected contact on a blocked shot when the players are different in size and strength.

Peace

APG Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:29pm

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Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 887997)
Good point.. I usually see officials look to give Techs when a coach is on the way to the locker room. And one usually sees a ton of NCAA tourney games starting the 2nd half with free throws. I like the block, big blocks small player shot let it ride too many stoppages and game interruptions anyway.

What official is looking to give out technicals period? The fact of the matter is a coach is not usually going this ape **** period...much less at the end of the half.

#olderthanilook Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:48pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 888006)
I like big blocks too but that defender went through to the shooter to get to the ball. That was a foul.

I watched the block play in slow motion at least 6 or 7 times immediately after the play. Clean up top - hand met ball, then the contact with the body. Guard sprinting to bucket on dribble drive meet help side defense.

Block occurred first unaided by body contact. Foul for body contact on airborne shooter before returning to the floor. Push or block. Either one works.

chapmaja Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:42pm

Wow
 
The officials really messed up on this one. First, the missed call on the shot was terrible. Then to not call a T on Geno when he was at half court with his assistant having to pull him back was inexcusable. I don't know what the officials were looking at after the play.

The other question I have is how close was the other UConn assistant to getting a T after Geno's T. I can't read lips, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't telling the ref "great call" when she starts chewing the ref out.

SWMOzebra Mon Apr 01, 2013 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 887901)
And two officials had a shot to call this and passed.

Even a late whistle from the T would have been preferrable to the no-call. In the replay looking at the contact from the baseline, you can see the T and he's got a pretty good angle on this play.

JetMetFan Mon Apr 01, 2013 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 888354)
Even a late whistle from the T would have been preferrable to the no-call. In the replay looking at the contact from the baseline, you can see the T and he's got a pretty good angle on this play.

A call from the T was going to be tough on this one. If the contact was more towards the middle of the lane I'd agree with you but with the play taking place clearly in the C's primary the T probably felt that was too much of a reach.


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