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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did it ever occur to you the officials did not feel these are travels?

Are you saying they're not, or trying to justify the missed calls somehow?

If the standard is the minute you touch the basketball then I guess I would see your point. If the issue is it is judged when actual possession takes place, another issue.

We've seen before on this board that one can apply the "hadn't finished gathering" argument to anything. But, especially on #2 here, that is ludicrous. It was a slow, deliberate move with the pivot foot ending up on the floor 10 feet away from its original location prior to the release.

Play #3 I would have called a travel at midseason in the 9-10 year old league.

"Come on, son. Don't forget, you have to dribble. You can't just run with it."

I'm sure you call these 100 percent of the time no matter what.

Peace

I call them when I see them, and it was no trouble to see any of these.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are you saying they're not, or trying to justify the missed calls somehow?

In order to travel you have to have possession of the ball correct?

Originally Posted by just another ref

We've seen before on this board that one can apply the "hadn't finished gathering" argument to anything. But, especially on #2 here, that is ludicrous. It was a slow, deliberate move with the pivot foot ending up on the floor 10 feet away from its original location prior to the release.

Play #3 I would have called a travel at midseason in the 9-10 year old league.

"Come on, son. Don't forget, you have to dribble. You can't just run with it."

OK. And with kids that are very clumsy at that age I am sure you call a lot of them.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I call them when I see them, and it was no trouble to see any of these.

No one is disputing your ability to see something, but that does not make it true every play you think is a travel is a travel in everyone else's eyes. I know not everyone here is going to agree with me on this issue. I have seen enough of these videos over the past year or so and seen the comments people make in relationship to travels. I just ask for it to be clear for rules based reasons, not because it looked a certain way. And I am certainly not going to go around thinking that my opinion is the only one that matters. You have said time and time again that you think these are passed on on purpose while sitting on your couch. I just find that ironic that is all.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In order to travel you have to have possession of the ball correct?

Often when a player gains control is the question, especially when control is first in only one hand. All 3 of these were clean catches in 2 hands and the ball never moved. Not an issue for me.


So am I to understand that you don't see a travel on any of these either?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Often when a player gains control is the question, especially when control is first in only one hand. All 3 of these were clean catches in 2 hands and the ball never moved. Not an issue for me.


So am I to understand that you don't see a travel on any of these either?

I do think there is a case to be made that what you consider control, someone else would not consider control. And I also never said it was hard to see, I just obviously do not agree when they have control as you do. But what else is new?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do think there is a case to be made that what you consider control, someone else would not consider control. And I also never said it was hard to see, I just obviously do not agree when they have control as you do. But what else is new?

Peace

So, enlighten us. Is control an issue here? Are these all good no calls, too?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So, enlighten us. Is control an issue here? Are these all good no calls, too?

No it is so obvious, tell us why they are travels. It is one thing to say it is a travel, it is another to be specific as to why. Because once I tell you why I feel they might not be traveling you will just say I was wrong and ignoring the obvious, so why bother?

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Just say you think it is a travel, why all the hyperbole about why it was or was not called?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No it is so obvious, tell us why they are travels. It is one thing to say it is a travel, it is another to be specific as to why.

Peace

Which way do you want it?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No it is so obvious, tell us why they are travels. It is one thing to say it is a travel, it is another to be specific as to why. Because once I tell you why I feel they might not be traveling you will just say I was wrong and ignoring the obvious, so why bother?

Peace

All 3 involve very different looks at the same basic principal. A player holding the ball lifts the pivot and returns it to the floor. None of these plays is close to being legal to me. I set out to watch this game looking for examples. All 3 of these jumped off the screen to me in real time.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I call them when I see them, and it was no trouble to see any of these.

Be careful, just because it is obvious to you probably means you guessed at it and got lucky with the video proof.