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Originally Posted by APG (Post 887829)

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

Play 1: I've not nothing on either play, but I will admit, when I saw this live I agreed with the ref on a travel. From where the L is, he can't see that McGary doesn't have possession of the ball because it was knocked out of his hand by the defender. You see the C start signalling the juggling signal, but the L is already calling a travel. That's just one of those tough calls.

Play 2: I commented on the other thread about this. It had to be a tough decision between a FF1 and a FF2. I don't like the officiating being overly officious in the tourney, but that was a good review.

This is exactly why you don't call a travel unless you can see the ball.

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 888166)

I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 888249)

I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

I am the same way, I'm just stating why I think the L made the call he did. I was actually surprised with Bieline's calm reaction to the call after watching it on replay.

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 887860)

That one I used to use quite a bit. I have gotten away from that on shot attempts unless the ball goes out of bounds then I will go up with the arm, indicate a tip and point for offensive team possession. (when working as the L). I figure otherwise everyone should be able to tell that since the whistle didn't blow on the attempt, I don't have a foul, the tip signal just indicates I saw the ball off the defense before it went OOB.

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 887860)

Timing is everything. I would not use it until the play is over. But I have no problem with it being used to communicate what someone saw.

Peace