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[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Cameron,

I call probably more travels than anyone on this site. I have seen myself on tape multiple times and call more travels than my partners or identify the obvious ones in dual coverage areas. So no you would be wrong about what I think about calling travels. I believe I even shared a situation this post season where I was the only one out of the three of my crew in a playoff game that called the same move a travel on a big man and I got crap for it. And I looked at the plays on tape and saw every one again as I did in the game. I just identify the pivot foot when I do and watch what they do with that foot and do not guess what I "think" happened.

And yes it is still a judgment, because we do not have all angles of this play. We have a still where it appears the player has both hands on the ball when it was stated earlier he had complete control before that. So yes these are still judgment calls. Maybe to you it is not because you officiate plays with pictures, but it would still be a judgment with multiple angles as to when a player has the ball in their hands or has ended their dribble.

It is silly to say that it is "obvious" when the people that said so could not tell us for the most part why by rule it was a travel when they first saw the play. Again, we call the game in live action, not by pictures and slowed down action. And we also get one shot to make that determination, not several shots at the bite of the apple to make sure you got it correct.

Peace

You're talking to me. I didn't need the video. I saw it as a travel while watching the game. Yes I know the reason it was a travel, the pivot foot left the floor and returned before passing or shooting, after he stopped his dribble. In the still, it doesn't appear that the player has both hands on the ball with his left foot on the floor. It is a fact, and for you to continue to deny that is simply a farce.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You're talking to me. I didn't need the video. I saw it as a travel while watching the game. Yes I know the reason it was a travel, the pivot foot left the floor and returned before passing or shooting, after he stopped his dribble. In the still, it doesn't appear that the player has both hands on the ball with his left foot on the floor. It is a fact, and for you to continue to deny that is simply a farce.

I am glad you did not need the video, I am glad you call every possible travel, but this misses the point I am making. I do not feel it was obvious. And if you are telling me that you and others would see the toes of a ball handler on the floor the very moment there was contact with the ball that ended the dribble, more power to you. I just do not believe you that you would get that or that you would not guess on many of these types of plays. And I also do not think that it was missed on purpose as if there is some larger conspiracy to not call travels. I see a lot of travels called at this level. Watch the Michigan-Kansas game there were a lot of travels called in that game. I do think some officials are better at getting them as others. But do not tell me I have to agree with you on a still photo. I never think that is a good way to determine something and have said that for years on this site, long before you got here. That is not going to change. And when I teach these things, I keep reminding officials that we do not get the opportunity to watch the video in several slow motion ways and different angles. I guess I just hate the self-righteous attitude becuase you think is obvious that everyone else feels the same way. And I really find that funny for those that do not work that level or any college ball on that level. Heck even certain HS players these are tough plays.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am glad you did not need the video

Thank you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Thank you.

Well you know you are one of those people that seem to find a travel in everything, so why am I not surprised.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well you know you are one of those people that seem to find a travel in everything, so why am I not surprised.

Peace

Nothing to go find. It was a travel. You seem to be one of those people who can't admit their wrong. Have a nice day.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Nothing to go find. It was a travel. You seem to be one of those people who can't admit their wrong. Have a nice day.

I did not expect you to get the joke. And it was not for your eyes anyway.

And if you were confident that it was a travel, you would have stuck with rulebook language to describe what happened. You and others did not do that, which tells me it was not "obvious." You guess and you got proof you wanted. Oh well, I hope you give a coach more information than what distance he traveled and it was not even accurate.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I thought play one was a travel when I saw it live. In my humble opinion the replay confirms it for me. He picks the ball up with his left foot on the floor. steps with right, steps with left and doesn't shoot or pass before it hits again.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not expect you to get the joke. And it was not for your eyes anyway.

And if you were confident that it was a travel, you would have stuck with rulebook language to describe what happened. You and others did not do that, which tells me it was not "obvious." You guess and you got proof you wanted. Oh well, I hope you give a coach more information than what distance he traveled and it was not even accurate.

Peace

Once again read my first post in this thread. I never said anything about distance traveled at any time in this whole conversation. I did say he took to many steps, in a later post, but also said that was a bad choice of words.