Louisville / NCAT video request (added)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Yeah both were bad decisions. No LGP on the block/charge in the first vid. On the 2nd one the trail should have called the foul when the defender knocked the player into the backcourt.

Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

yes, that's the part I saw. Just misspoke.

[Toren]

Play 2 has a lot going on. Looks like a foul. However, if we pass on the foul, two things come to mind. If the ball leaving the offensive players hand is the start of a dribble, then we have a travel.

If the offensive player loses control of the ball and the ball hitting the ground is not the start of a dribble, he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball. Team control maintained throughout...backcourt violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball.

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

Originally Posted by Toren

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

But, If it was a dribble (and I think the initial release was a dribble) he does not return to the FC until the both feet touch entirely in the frontcourt. The back foot in the air, due to the 3-points clause, is still in the backcourt.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that it should have been a foul to start with.


This brings up an interesting question. We know that a dribbler who steps on the OOB line has violated even if they are not touching the ball at the time they step OOB. What about the division line? It doesn't specify that. Does the mere fact that a dribbler steps on the division line give the ball backcourt status? I think it does, indirectly through the 3-points rule.