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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 884942)

A1 dribbles the ball. A1 intends to (a)while in the air, grab the ball with both hands, then (b) land in a jump stop, and then (c) jump to try for goal. (a reasonably standard play we see several times a game.)

During this move, however, A1 is fouled between steps (a) and (b).

If you use the "gathered" criterion (as I understand it to mean), you'd award two shots. If you use the "begins the habitual motion" you wouldn't -- the landing is one "move" and the "try for goal" is a second.

I think that's the difference, and I think the second interp is correct.

Ok. I guess we have different understandings of using the word "gathered". I would never use the word gathered to a coach in this play.

However, drive to basket. Player gathers the ball, or ( for Camron's benefit) the player is holding the ball and trying to bring it up, as they are fouled and then take one more step to lay it in...defensive coach wants an explanation on "the continuation". Simple answer - "He gathered the ball, Coach"

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 884951)

I prefer to say "He started the shot". Always accurate rather than misleading. Gather, to me, is akin to over the back or reach. It communicates the wrong thing.

Gathering the ball does not always constitute a shooting motion. Starting the shooting motion does. These are two different things.

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Originally Posted by camron rust (Post 884954)

i prefer to say "he started the shot". Always accurate rather than misleading. Gather, to me, is akin to over the back or reach. It communicates the wrong thing.

+100

Horse's Mouth ...

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 884902)

I think the FED statement is something like "begins the habitual motion" so yes, a lot of that is judgment.

4-11 Continous Motion:

ART. 1 Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free
throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player
during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a
try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

ART. 2 If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she
is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or
stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any
activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual
throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight.

ART. 3 Continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a player
has started a try for a goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball becomes dead
immediately.

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 884901)

On Mike and Mike, thought I also heard that Digger said that crew should not be allowed to work any more tourney games. REALLY:eek: Did he actually say this?

Probably did. He said it on the postgame shows the night the game was played.

He's an idiot.

I agree as well. You don't give him the three.

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 884794)

Calling that a shooting foul is a huge stretch. Winging the ball toward the goal after getting hit when there was ZERO chance you were actually going to shoot is NOT a shot attempt. Especially from half court.