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LeeBallanfant Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:29pm

How dumb can you be in 0.1 seconds?
 
Manhattan-Iona MAAC Final.

Iona leading by 5 gets TF for its subs running on court with 0.1 to go. Manhattan converts both.

Then Iona inbounds ball and game ends and Iona player decides to hang on Manahattans basket. Now officials, as I would be, were long gone but incredibly stupid acts by a team.

My first automatic pick in the brackets pool, Iona loss no matter who they play.

deecee Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 884315)
Manhattan-Iona MAAC Final.

Iona leading by 5 gets TF for its subs running on court with 0.1 to go. Manhattan converts both.

Then Iona inbounds ball and game ends and Iona player decides to hang on Manahattans basket. Now officials, as I would be, were long gone but incredibly stupid acts by a team.

My first automatic pick in the brackets pool, Iona loss no matter who they play.

Even if I were within the visible confines I doubt I would have anything here.

Nevadaref Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 884317)
Even if I were within the visible confines I doubt I would have anything here.

Not surprised.

APG Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:42pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 884320)
Not surprised.

Don't kid yourself Nevada...you know the majority of officials aren't going to "see" this at all.

grunewar Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:05am

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 884315)
My first automatic pick in the brackets pool, Iona loss no matter who they play.

Even against Liberty? :eek:

JRutledge Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:12am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 884322)
Don't kid yourself Nevada...you know the majority of officials aren't going to "see" this at all.

I do not see anyone making this call.

BTW, I asked a question years ago about this very thing and overwhelmingly people suggested anyone would be crazy to call such a thing. And I was asking because I saw this in a game immediately after the horn. No one in their right mind is calling this if they want to continue officiating at a certain level for sure.

Peace

JetMetFan Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:23am

And...

Even if someone lost their mind and did call it, Iona won the game by 3 so no shots.

KJUmp Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:43am

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 884315)
Manhattan-Iona MAAC Final.

Iona leading by 5 gets TF for its subs running on court with 0.1 to go. Manhattan converts both.

Then Iona inbounds ball and game ends and Iona player decides to hang on Manahattans basket. Now officials, as I would be, were long gone but incredibly stupid acts by a team.

My first automatic pick in the brackets pool, Iona loss no matter who they play.

I'm confused.

Assuming some 'out of his mind' official somewhere makes this call......

If the game is over, by rule, how does this specific act even qualify as a post game T?

JetMetFan Tue Mar 12, 2013 05:06am

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 884345)
I'm confused.

Assuming some 'out of his mind' official somewhere makes this call......

If the game is over, by rule, how does this specific act even qualify as a post game T?

NCAA 2-4-4
When all three officials leave the visual confines of the playing area at the end of the game, the officials’ jurisdiction has ended and the score has been approved.

combined with...

NCAA 10-6-1f
Grasping either basket in an excessive, emphatic manner during the officials’ jurisdiction when the player is not, in the judgment of an official, trying to prevent an obvious injury to self or others.

Raymond Tue Mar 12, 2013 07:16am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 884346)
NCAA 2-4-4
When all three officials leave the visual confines of the playing area at the end of the game, the officials’ jurisdiction has ended and the score has been approved.

combined with...

NCAA 10-6-1f
Grasping either basket in an excessive, emphatic manner during the officials’ jurisdiction when the player is not, in the judgment of an official, trying to prevent an obvious injury to self or others.

Maybe he was grasping the rim b/c he went to cut down the net and fans were underneath the basket. ;)

bob jenkins Tue Mar 12, 2013 07:44am

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 884345)
I'm confused.

Assuming some 'out of his mind' official somewhere makes this call......

If the game is over, by rule, how does this specific act even qualify as a post game T?

Because there might be another T, and then the FTs would be shot.

(Not suggesting that the call would be "correct for the game" as described in the OP)

Adam Tue Mar 12, 2013 08:00am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 884341)
Even against Liberty? :eek:

What do you have against Liberty? I had no idea you were a communist, grunewar.

OKREF Tue Mar 12, 2013 08:09am

Doesn't common sense apply here. The game is over and just get out.

grunewar Tue Mar 12, 2013 08:22am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 884363)
What do you have against Liberty? I had no idea you were a communist, grunewar.

Me? A Communist? After serving 22+ yrs in the Army and still serving our country? Shocked I tell ya. Shocked I am! :p

I passed no judgement. I just asked a simple question.

KJUmp Tue Mar 12, 2013 09:58am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 884346)
NCAA 2-4-4
When all three officials leave the visual confines of the playing area at the end of the game, the officials’ jurisdiction has ended and the score has been approved.

combined with...

NCAA 10-6-1f
Grasping either basket in an excessive, emphatic manner during the officials’ jurisdiction when the player is not, in the judgment of an official, trying to prevent an obvious injury to self or others.

I guess what I'm implying is that (for any rule set) perhaps there should be some distinction between what's covered under the phrase "official's jurisdiction".....pre-game, during the game, and post game.

Yes, you'd have to be a complete knucklehead to call it, but there's a knucklehead aspect of the rules that allow you to do it.

Adam Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:59am

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 884391)
I guess what I'm implying is that (for any rule set) perhaps there should be some distinction between what's covered under the phrase "official's jurisdiction".....pre-game, during the game, and post game.

Yes, you'd have to be a complete knucklehead to call it, but there's a knucklehead aspect of the rules that allow you to do it.

It's defined already.

KJUmp Tue Mar 12, 2013 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 884402)
It's defined already.

Of course it is.
You're missing my point....which is to take out the part of the rule that would give some OOO the authority to call a T for a player grasping the rim AFTER the game is over.

Adam Tue Mar 12, 2013 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 884467)
Of course it is.
You're missing my point....which is to take out the part of the rule that would give some OOO the authority to call a T for a player grasping the rim AFTER the game is over.

You're right, I missed your point. But now that I caught it, I still disagree. :)

Because it keeps coaches from being able to get stupid and say whatever they want after the final horn. It happens occasionally anyway. I'd rather leave the rule and allow a few OOOs to screw up than take it out and allow every howler monkey a free pass after the final horn. The OOOs are going to screw up anyway.

bob jenkins Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 884467)
Of course it is.
You're missing my point....which is to take out the part of the rule that would give some OOO the authority to call a T for a player grasping the rim AFTER the game is over.

I still like the rule. I'm (in theory) more likely to call it if the hang is to taunt than I am if the hang is to celebrate.

KJUmp Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 884468)
You're right, I missed your point. But now that I caught it, I still disagree. :)

Because it keeps coaches from being able to get stupid and say whatever they want after the final horn.

That part needs to be there. I was only referring to the rim grasping part.

Bob made the best point in his post when he referenced a player doing it to taunt the opposing team after the horn sounded.

KJUmp Tue Mar 12, 2013 04:49pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 884471)
I still like the rule. I'm (in theory) more likely to call it if the hang is to taunt than I am if the hang is to celebrate.

Agree, thats a point I had not considered.


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