Was listening to the radio broadcast of the NC State/Florida St game on Saturday and the broadcaster said, "there so long, he was paying rent!"
That made me laugh.

PS the play was called a block. I would love to see it. About 11 mins left in 2nd half.

Is this deja vu? I remember this discussion from before.

So here is a play I've had before. The player with the ball uses the ball to push his defender back to clear space.
What are you calling?
A No call
B Player control foul
C Technical foul
D Something else

A

I can't see calling a personal foul because of contact with the ball.

How can you no call that? Are you that much rulebook lawyer?

10-6-1: A player shall not.........push.......an opponent by extending arms......


The fact that he's holding the ball doesn't change the fact that it was a push, clearly an illegal act.

Whatever it is, how can it be a no call?

1. I don't make up my own rules to suit my personal feelings on plays. You seem to think that makes one a poor official. That's sad since the NFHS has clearly and directly instructed officials to enforce the rules as written and refrain from imposing their personal opinions.
2. If you can't stand ot having a whistle on this action, then you can assess a technical foul and have rules book support. Just be ready for someone to call you a rules lawyer.
3. Consider this play which happens with enough frequency that most of us have encountered it.
A defensive player grabs a ball being held by an offensive player in an attempt to create a heldball. Quickly the offensive (or defensive) player pulls the ball away and the force used causes the opposing player to fall to the floor. There is no player-to-player contact only each player touching the ball. Do you call a foul on this action?

Different plays entirely. In this play, the defender is going for the ball. In the debated play, the offensive player is using the ball instead of a hand or arm to displace an opponent. Essentially, using a loophole in the rules to create an advantage. One could argue that this is an advantage not intended by the rules.

That's a laughable interpretation. Talk about not understanding the context.
The text says arms, legs, hip, etc., but clearly does NOT list the ball.
Trying looking at these for clarification:
"ART. 1 . . . Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of an opponent with or without the ball.
ART. 2 . . . Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent’s torso."

Or one could argue that the defender should grab the ball.

No. Jump ball or no call, depending how long the ball was tied up.

But that made me think of this play: how many times have we seen someone block a shot attempt with so much force on the ball that it sends the offensive player to the floor? And do we call foul there? I don't, but somehow I see these plays as different than the ones discussed earlier in this thread.

Good example. What is different and is making people uncomfortable is the element of intent. If using the ball for a deliberate push strikes the official as an unfair act, then the proper penalty is an unsporting technical foul. Take a look at the definition-basically word for word! I'm not against an official making that call. I'm only against an official making a call that is wrong by rule and charging a personal foul in this case.

ART. 14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

Doesn't list a 2 x 4 either. Can I carry one of them and use it to clear space?

Now I get the joke. HA!!!

Peace

So if he uses a 2x4 you're calling a personal foul instead of a technical foul.