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Freddy Sat Mar 09, 2013 06:41pm

Incorporate?
 
Have any of you incorporated for purposes of claiming income and legitimate expenses as an official?

Indianaref Sat Mar 09, 2013 07:02pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 883933)
Have any of you incorporated for purposes of claiming income and legitimate expenses as an official?

No. Interesting, do this to limit your liability?

Freddy Sat Mar 09, 2013 08:15pm

That Might Be a Secondary Consideration, but . . .
 
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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 883934)
No. Interesting, do this to limit your liability?

Not so much for liability coverage. That's why I carry NASO membership. Though that might be a secondary consideration, if practical.
I'm wondering about it for tax purposes. Have any of you pursued incorporation for any discernable tax advantage?
Word around here is that, especially with the advent of more and more schools choosing RefPay, auditing by the IRS may become more of an issue for more officials. And if income/expenses are claimed, the thought of inexpensively forming an LLC occurred to me as an option for some.
Any insights from anyone out there?

just another ref Sat Mar 09, 2013 08:28pm

What is the advantage?

Camron Rust Sat Mar 09, 2013 08:34pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 883939)
Not so much for liability coverage. That's why I carry NASO membership. Though that might be a secondary consideration, if practical.
I'm wondering about it for tax purposes. Have any of you pursued incorporation for any discernable tax advantage?
Word around here is that, especially with the advent of more and more schools choosing RefPay, auditing by the IRS may become more of an issue for more officials. And if income/expenses are claimed, the thought of inexpensively forming an LLC occurred to me as an option for some.
Any insights from anyone out there?

If you're claiming all of your income as you should, the use of RefPay shouldn't change your tax liability or risk of audit. If, on the other hand, you're cheating on your taxes by not claiming all your officiating income, perhaps you should get audited.

In any case, the use of an LLC isn't going to reduce your income or increase what you can legally deduct....and it will probably cost you money to establish. It could allow you to insulate your personal assets in the event of a liability claim that exceeds your insurance coverage.

BktBallRef Sat Mar 09, 2013 09:32pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 883933)
Have any of you incorporated for purposes of claiming income and legitimate expenses as an official?

I file a Schedule C, claim my income and offset it with legitimate expenses.

Welpe Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 883951)
I file a Schedule C, claim my income and offset it with legitimate expenses.

This. Unless you're worried about liability, I see no need to incorporate.

Adam Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:32am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 883969)
This. Unless you're worried about liability, I see no need to incorporate.

There may be tax benefits, if you're otherwise self employed, but officiating income isn't generally enough to see them in amounts that offset the set up costs. A friend of mine (not an official) who is self employed does it so he can consider himself an employee of his LLC and get deductions for his health insurance.

Talk to an attorney, though, rather than a bunch of know-it-all dopes on the internet.

deecee Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:47am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 883986)
Talk to an attorney, though, rather than a bunch of know-it-all dopes on the internet.

These days it's the dopes that run things. And no I didn't stay at a Best Western Inn Express last night.

BillyMac Sun Mar 10, 2013 06:06am

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Kelvin green Sun Mar 10, 2013 08:21am

As an attorney ( although probably not licensed in your jurisdiction) and not providing any specific legal advice to your situation ( my disclaimer)

Incorporation for officiating make little sense.

1) to have the legal liabilities of a corp, you would need to follow all the formalities like maintaining corporate books, etc

2) most states have corporate franchise taxes. California can be as much as $800 per year.

3) unless it is an S corp the is double taxation

4) there is the issue with separate EINs with IRS ...

5) the corporation would need to get the liability coverage not the individual

6) the corp would have to figure out how to referee in the name is the corp and have contracts listed as the corp

LLC may run into some of the same issues because it is a separate entity from the official. Not saying it can't be done but probably is costly with so few limited advantages...

BillyMac Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:18am

See You Later Litigator ...
 
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 883933)
Have any of you incorporated for purposes of claiming income and legitimate expenses as an official?

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Stat-Man Mon Mar 11, 2013 09:25pm

I have a One-person LLC for my sports activities and file a schedule C at year-end. That way I have limited liability with the ability to file as a sole proprietor.

(Standard disclaimer: What works for me may not be best for someone else.)


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