Side by side...

JetMetFan

I'm sure there have been strings on this in the past but...

Let's find the person who started the myth that opponents away from the restraining circle during a jump ball have to stand side-by-side and throw stuff at them. I think I've seen officials make kids move in every online h.s. game I've watched in the past month as well as most I've seen in person. 😠

Welpe

Wow I can't say I've ever run into that one.

JetMetFan

I actually see it a lot in my neck of the woods. The R will look at A2 next to B2 10-20 feet away from the circle before the toss and tell them they have to be side-by-side. Drives me nuts.

maven

JetMetFan wrote
I actually see it a lot in my neck of the woods. The R will look at A2 next to B2 10-20 feet away from the circle before the toss and tell them they have to be side-by-side. Drives me nuts.

Never seen nor heard of that one.

Indianaref

Not around here.

letemplay

Had a ref tell a player (non-jumper) he could not straddle the midcourt stripe during the toss. Had to be one side or the other:confused:

fullor30

letemplay wrote
Had a ref tell a player (non-jumper) he could not straddle the midcourt stripe during the toss. Had to be one side or the other:confused:

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

Bad Zebra

JetMetFan wrote
Let's find the person who started the myth that opponents away from the restraining circle during a jump ball have to stand side-by-side and throw stuff at them...

Must be a regional thing. I've never seen or heard anything like that before.

Scuba_ref

fullor30 wrote
Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

This one drives me crazy. I have had discussions with our most senior officials about this error.

BayStateRef

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Rich

BayStateRef wrote
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

JRutledge

fullor30 wrote
Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

I think a lot of this is what the players think they are supposed to do, not necessarily what they are told to do by the officials. I had an intentional foul last night and we sent players off the line, they all went to the division line on their own. The only time I might say anything to them at all is when they want to talk to the coach on the end where we are shooting the FTs as I would not like the to be in violation of where they stand and cause an unnecessary FT violation.

Peace

Camron Rust

BayStateRef wrote
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Rich wrote
That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

HokiePaul

Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

Adam

HokiePaul wrote
I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

bob jenkins

JRutledge wrote
I think a lot of this is what the players think they are supposed to do, not necessarily what they are told to do by the officials.

Sometimes, the officials tell them this. And, sometimes, it's said by officials who should know better.

Adam

bob jenkins wrote
Sometimes, the officials tell them this. And, sometimes, it's said by officials who should know better.

Yep

HokiePaul

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

May be paraphrasing ... but the idea was to get people to move out of the lane before a 3 second call must be made on a play where no real advantage is being gained ...

Rich

Adam wrote
I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

JetMetFan

Rich wrote
I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

Same here with the "keep moving." "Stay out" might be taken literally by some kids and no, I'm not kidding.

Had an example of a kid in a GV game yesterday taking things too literally. I told her coach to remind the girl to leave the ball alone after her team scores. She tells the girl, "don't touch the ball after a basket."...then the next time the opponent scores, the girl runs away from the ball like it's on fire.