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[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

This one drives me crazy. I have had discussions with our most senior officials about this error.

[BayStateRef]

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Originally Posted by Rich

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

[HokiePaul]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef
The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

[HokiePaul]

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

May be paraphrasing ... but the idea was to get people to move out of the lane before a 3 second call must be made on a play where no real advantage is being gained ...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

I do this, but I am talking to those on the circle, primarily. Of course, the next time I see U1 or U2 whistle for a violation on this play will be the first.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

Since their position behind the division line during tech/int foul FT's is legal, what would you say? "You don't have to go that far..."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by maven

Since their position behind the division line during tech/int foul FT's is legal, what would you say? "You don't have to go that far..."

I think he meant say anything to his partners.

[Rob1968]

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.
Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.

That's correct. It's only a requirement, though, if they are within 3' of the circle. I think the OP was talking about players farther away than that.

Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

I wouldn't tell them this. I would answer if asked.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.
Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

Saw this happen in an NBA game this year...7 non jumpers line up behind an outside circle and Steve Nash lined up behind the required circle...and ended up beating his opponent to the ball after the tap.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

I had a lenghty discussion with Senior/State caliber official who always says "Hold your spots". I guess he wins. He is doing State games. not me.