Continuous Motion...a continuation
 

First, my apologies to the state of Iowa. You guys end up being the guinea pigs.

This clip has two plays. The first resulted in A1 receiving 2 FTs, the second did not. The second play has a freeze in the replay at the moment the calling official blew his whistle (since I muted the sound).

Thoughts?

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Two thoughts. First, it's nice to see some of the same schools are back into the tournament again.

Second, looks to me like they got the plays backwards.

I think they were 0 for 2!

Agree...1st was non-shooting, 2nd was shooting.

My first thought: Wow. That looks bad.

In the first, I would expect a partner of the calling official to at least mention "Are you aware the ball was passed and not shot?". I've had that happen to me and was grateful for the info. Sometimes being right on top of it keeps you from seeing the whole play, and that's understandable here. Somebody help a brother?

2 incorrect calls.

Play #1: Don't like the Lead continuing across the paint after A1 has already started her drive. He needs to freeze at close down instead of making a call on the move. And she was obviously passing the ball.

Play #2: If there was even foul to be called it definitely didn't occur until A1 began her shot. I don't see how a few minutes after giving Black undeserved free throws you can turn around and deny White two free throws they deserved.

1st one was a pass and no shot.
2nd one I am not sure when he had the foul. the defender was running beside her the from 1/2 court and he could have called a bump near the 3 point line. The video does not show who the foul is on or an indication what the foul is. Without that information I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

This comes back to something I posted on the other thread. Put it on the shot if you can rather than try to figure out a way to deny free throws. The timing of the whistle makes it very, very easy to put the player on the line.

The foul in play #2 was called on Red 41 (i.e., the defender who picked up A1 at midcourt).


See? I was reading your mind! :) I thought the same thing and I also had the same thought as BNR: You just gave my opponent an undeserved shooting foul at one end and now you're going to keep my kid from going to the line on that play?

I am not even sure the first play was a foul. No interruption in RSBQ or prevented from doing something with the ball. The Lead would have been better served if he got over to ball side. Way late in getting there and screened from the contact if there was any that warranted a foul.

The second one was a bad miss IMO.

Peace

That makes it more reasonable. That player had plenty of opportunities to foul well before the shot. The camera angle doesn't really show if or how much contact there was along the way. It is possible that she bumped the dribbler enough to reroute her somewhat. So, I'll give the official the benefit of doubt on that one.

1# When not to rotate.....immediate shot, immediate pass, immediate drive to basket. Lead was bit late, probably should have stayed and left it for C or might have better angle from weak side. Thought it was a pass IMHO

#2, again as other thread, a patient whistle and it's called correctly.

Consistency...
 

So much for similar plays being called the same way on both ends of the court (similar in that each play involves a drive to the basket). These two plays happen within one minute of each other, and both calls go the red team's way.

Wow, 0 for 2, and these two plays were 30 seconds apart...

The second one the bump that draws the whistle sure looks to me like it is after the gather and during the habitual motion. The first one looks to be a pass all the way.

Just a reminder to everyone that creating a new user account can be frowned upon if the only reason to do so is to rip officials anonymously or to troll the board.

If you have a reason to change your username, please let me know so I don't falsely accuse you of doing what I mentioned above.

I'm not even convinced either one is a foul.

Two IC's there

Me either. The first could've been avoided entirely with a more patient whistle.

First, I believe I have no foul on either play... but that's not the question.

Second - play 1 was similar to the one we were discussing a few weeks ago... if the official felt she was shooting when he called the foul, the fact that she didn't shoot after the foul should be irrelevant --- that said, I think he missed it. But I can see why he did, at least.

Play 2 is harder to say. Since I see no foul anyway, I truly have no idea when (with his better angle than us) he saw the foul or even who he called it on. Based on the video alone, he appears to have called a defensive foul on the offensive player ... so who knows. If the foul was on the first defender and not at the very last instant, no shot. If the foul was on the 2nd, clearly she was shooting.

I don't think there is a foul on either of these plays.

As was mentioned earlier, the foul was on #41 red (the inital defender).

What he said.

Wondering when you would prefer your partner telling you this? Should the partner tell you right away before you report the foul ... or is it better to wait until the foul is reported and then approach your partner?

You catch your partner before he reports. You quietly and quickly provide the info and then you get out of his way and let him decide what to do.

Generally, as the partner is on the way to report. Thus, he/she can change the call if needed....basically what BNR just said.

As soon as the partner puts up (or doesn't, depending on the specific play) two fingers. It's part of the reason why the mechanics at the spot of the foul are important.