I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You must be observing some pretty boring games then.

No missed off-ball screens?

No missed fouls on shooters when L is screened off and T is too far away (or vice versa)?

Nothing missed in rebounding action with all those bodies in the paint?

No close games where getting those missed calls would have made a difference? Or the "guess" call be an out of position official that did make a difference? No games where a third set of eyes would have made a difference?

Find that all really hard to believe.

I don't find it hard to believe, I find it impossible.

I do a few soph tournies over Christmas and it's two man, so I can speak first hand, I miss plenty.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Wow. No thanks.

+1

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't find it hard to believe, I find it impossible.

I do a few soph tournies over Christmas and it's two man, so I can speak first hand, I miss plenty.

And +1000 from experience.

Peace

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Tim C

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Do you think they coulda used a third in these clips?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Spoken like someone who has never worked 3 man. Or never figured it out.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Spoken like someone who has never worked 3 man. Or never figured it out.

Yep. Or never worked some big kids while working basketball. You get some 6'4 and above kids, all the Lead does is watch those clowns in the middle. You cannot do that very easily in 2 man.

Peace

[Tim C]

I admit freely that over the last 30 years the game, even at the high school level, has evolved.

Bigger and faster players like in all levels of all sports.

For you guys to take a shot like I have worked bigger and faster kids don't comment on something you know nothing about.

I will assure you that I worked basketball at a higher level than many of you.

I am just of the opinion that trends always work there way down from NBA, to College to high school. We see a trend.

True I only watched about 30 high school games this years (including watching Cameron @ the Les Schawb Christmas tourney) and, as in all sports, calls average out over a quarter, a game and a season.

Just sayin"

T

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I will assure you that I worked basketball at a higher level than many of you.

I would suggest you take your own advice and not comment about something you know nothing about.

I am incredulous that anybody who has EVER worked 2 man v. 3 man can make the the assertion that there is no advantage to a third official. Simple geometry of court coverage would go against your claim.

[Tim C]

All 3 person crew does is cover for lazy officials.

Work the game and all will be find.

And you are right . .. I retired long before three person crews. I just know what I see.

let's work four person crews so we really cover anything . . . how about five person crews with a person just managing the bench area.

Soft.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Tim C

All 3 person crew does is cover for lazy officials.

Work the game and all will be find.

And you are right . .. I retired long before three person crews. I just know what I see.

let's work four person crews so we really cover anything . . . how about five person crews with a person just managing the bench area.

Soft.

Ignorance and arrogance.

Nice combo.

[Tim C]

Actually I know quite a bit I AM FAR FROM IGNORANT.

Arrogant (not), cocky yes.

You guys just can't accept an opinion different from your own.

In Oregon I will fight forever to be cost conscience and not support three person crews.

That is my personal opinion and I will retain it.

The problem with these sites is that the officials are very non-receptive of any other opinions than their own.

Cost is an issue. Ignore it if you want but your are pricing yourself out of the market.

I am writing an article right now for High School Today titled "Can We Afford High School Athletics?"

Not sure we can . . .


T

[APG]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Actually I know quite a bit I AM FAR FROM IGNORANT.

Arrogant (not), cocky yes.

You guys just can't accept an opinion different from your own.

In Oregon I will fight forever to be cost conscience and not support three person crews.

That is my personal opinion and I will retain it.

The problem with these sites is that the officials are very non-receptive of any other opinions than their own.

Cost is an issue. Ignore it if you want but your are pricing yourself out of the market.

I am writing an article right now for High School Today titled "Can We Afford High School Athletics?"

Not sure we can . . .


T

Hard to be receptive to an opinion that 3 person is only to cover for lazy officials. No one on an officiating forum is going to be receptive to that. Seriously, what did you expect the response to be?

If your opinion is games in high school should stay 2-person due to cost reasons, that's a lot more reasonable position to take then simply stating that 3 person is just to cover for lazy officials.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

The game has changed. A 3rd official improves coverage in 100% of boys games and about half of the girls games I work.

When's the last time you worked a game?

Edited to add: I responded to your first post without reading the rest of them. I see you've moved into your usual role of provocateur. I'll pass, thanks.

If you wish to argue we never need a third in baseball, I'd be more likely to agree and listen.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Actually I know quite a bit I AM FAR FROM IGNORANT.

Arrogant (not), cocky yes.

You guys just can't accept an opinion different from your own.

In Oregon I will fight forever to be cost conscience and not support three person crews.

That is my personal opinion and I will retain it.

The problem with these sites is that the officials are very non-receptive of any other opinions than their own.

Cost is an issue. Ignore it if you want but your are pricing yourself out of the market.

I am writing an article right now for High School Today titled "Can We Afford High School Athletics?"

Not sure we can . . .


T

You're cocky but not arrogant? Whatever dude....good luck with your writing career.

As APG said if you want to argue the cost for high schools of 3 person vs 2 person that is one you can make but it is entirely different than saying, "all 3 person does is make officials lazy."

And the cost argument is a weak one. If whether or not "we" can afford high school sports" comes down to an extra official for basketball games for a certain school district or area then they probably can't afford scholastic sports. Because to say that is a deciding factor the overall affordability of all scholastic sports is simply ridiculous.

And who is pricing themselves out of the market? I work all 3 person varsity ball and if that were to change I would not officiate HS ball anymore. Another ignorant statement.

[JRutledge]

Really Tim? Really?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Actually I know quite a bit I AM FAR FROM IGNORANT.

Arrogant (not), cocky yes.

You guys just can't accept an opinion different from your own.

In Oregon I will fight forever to be cost conscience and not support three person crews.

That is my personal opinion and I will retain it.

The problem with these sites is that the officials are very non-receptive of any other opinions than their own.

Cost is an issue. Ignore it if you want but your are pricing yourself out of the market.

I am writing an article right now for High School Today titled "Can We Afford High School Athletics?"

Not sure we can . . .


T

I respect other opinions. I don't respect ignorant a$$ comments.