He could introduce them to "Sam the Owl":)

I honestly don't think we are disagreeing very much at all.

I disagree with this statement. :)

I think it's clear where we disagree but it really doesnt matter so I'm moving on.

Will be interesting to see how O'Neill and Smith's schedules are affected going forward and I would love to have access to their post game and subsequent conversation(s) with Shaw.

Seems to me like they froze both physically and mentally and we'll never know why. We all have moments on the court we'd like to do over. This just happened to be on ESPN on a Monday night with a relatively light NCAAM schedule.

Aw well. I can only hope to one day have the opportunity to be in these guys position and have people on this forum making multiple page threads about my calls or no-calls.

Smart-a$$!:D

I really don't think it is a career killer for either of them. Will they lose a few Big 12 games this season? Yes...maybe the Big 12 tournament? I doubt that it will cost them a post-season berth if they had one. If it does, one of the other conferences they work for will pick them up.

And I would love to hear their post game thoughts and their breakdown of that play also. Maybe in a few years they will share at a camp or something.

Yeah I would think/hope that this one play is not going to impact either one beyond losing a couple of Big 12 games this year.

And I just watched the play again during halftime of the IU-Minnesota game. I think it boils down to positioning. Neither the L or C worked to get a good angle on the play and it cost them big time in terms of not having a needed whistle. Then Smith compounds it by putting the kid on the line with a very marginal call after passing on a collision.

But we all know things look different from different angles. I think the C has no idea about the LGP status of the secondary defender b/c he couldnt even see him and the L had a poor angle and guess he did not appreciate exactly how much the offense went through the defender.

They still made around $2500 for this game, that should feed the family for a day or two?

They probably made more than that based on tier level payment and one has a couple of kids working at the D1 level, so he is fine feeding his family. ;)

Peace

Go get 'em, Nikki! :D

Apart from this, I'm surprised as others are that only two crew memebrs are being disciplined. I would've thought the conference would've said all of them catch heat or none of them. The guy who was the T on that play was the new L on the Withey/Young foul call and had a whistle on it, though he wasn't the one who reported the foul. In any event, it seems all three had a role in this one during the final 30 seconds of regulation.

Big 12 comments on the calls in question

Peace

If you watched the UF/Tenn game last night you have seen great examples of officials working a "low" C instead of wandering off towards the 28' line.

I'm "sure" it's two getting discilined because even though T could have saved the crew it wasn't really his call. That is, he could have improved his evaluation by making the call, but doesn't get a poorer evaluation by not making it.

PC's don't get much easier than that one. What I don't get is why the L would pass on that much contact, and THEN be quick on the whistile to call the illegal contact on the ISU defender while they are on the floor. If the crew had just swallowed the whistle for the whole sequence it would probably be getting less pub than it is now.

I don't get people that work a high C. What's the benefit, really? FT line to FT line is only 64 feet and unlike when you're the T, there's no huge hurry to stay in front of the play.

+1

And, IF an official is going to work a "high C", it would be best to at least "step down" on plays that originate from the C's PCA.

Btw, I couldn't disagree more with the notion that the officials "blew the game" for ISU.