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JRutledge Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:15pm

Video Request: Kansas vs. Iowa State
 
I want to see the play with 4.9 in the second half (might go overtime at the time of this posting).

Block/charge no call into a foul against an Iowa State player on the floor. Big call with seconds.

Peace

OKREF Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:19pm

Holy crap, four of us all posting at the same time.

VaTerp Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:20pm

Was coming here to request this video and see 4 threads already.

Looked like a PC that was no-called and then a foul for hitting the arm with the passer when both players were on the floor.

C or L has to have a whistle on the block/charge play, which again looked like a PC to me

Rich Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22pm

Since the L wasn't ballside, I'd think the C would be the perfect official to get that one. Looked like a fairly easy PC to me and Kansas is now running away with the game in OT.

JRutledge Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22pm

It looks like the Jayhawks are going to likely win this game, but it should not have gone that way IMO. Usually never say anything about calls, but that fouls should have been called either way.

Peace

OKREF Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:23pm

That was a PC, all the way, and when they passed on that one, for whatever reason, they sure should have passed on the really weak call after that.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:26pm

I bleed JayHawk blue and I gave myself a headache when I slapped the back of my head for the PCF signal and was absolutely shocked when no foul was called.

MTD, Sr.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:26pm

Should definitely have been a PC. Now Iowa State is going to lose in OT.

Also the foul which Bert Smith charged to #40 Young was clearly committed by #5 Withey and would have been his 5th. This was with about 15 seconds left.
C'mon Bert, one guy is white and one is black. This couldn't have been a mix up. It had to be an attempt to give it to the nearby player who isn't considered to be as important to the team.

JRutledge Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 881919)
Should definitely have been a PC. Now Iowa State is going to lose in OT.

Also the foul which Bert Smith charged to #40 Young was clearly committed by #5 Withey and would have been his 5th. This was with about 15 seconds left.
C'mon Bert, one guy is white and one is black. This couldn't have been a mix up. It had to be an attempt to give it to the nearby player who isn't considered to be as important to the team.

I really agree. He called the slap and miss and not the contact that actually took place.

Peace

OKREF Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 881919)
Should definitely have been a PC. Now Iowa State is going to lose in OT.

Also the foul which Bert Smith charged to #40 Young was clearly committed by #5 Withey and would have been his 5th. This was with about 15 seconds left.
C'mon Bert, one guy is white and one is black. This couldn't have been a mix up. It had to be an attempt to give it to the nearby player who isn't considered to be as important to the team.

+1. It wasn't even close. They really struggled at the end of the game. Always hear people say to let the kids decide the game. Well in that game they did, but the officials failed to do their job.

JRutledge Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35pm

And that dunk was bad at the end too.

Peace

Rich Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35pm

I couldn't pretend to hold O'Neill's jock, but he missed two really badly -- this one and a PC foul he called earlier that was an easy blocking call.

JRutledge Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:40pm

Well considering that they make such a big deal of the Lead making this call at that level, I am surprise no one made this call. Absolutely shocked. It was in the lane and everyone passed on this play.

Peace

VaTerp Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 881925)
I couldn't pretend to hold O'Neill's jock, but he missed two really badly -- this one and a PC foul he called earlier that was an easy blocking call.

Yeah, that was pretty bad too.

Happens to all of us but those were two that were not really close IMO. And that no call at the end had a MAJOR impact on the outcome of the game.

Rich Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:54pm

They just showed it on SportsCenter again.

The L was in the wide angle position and didn't close down at all. Anchored in the same spot the entire play.

The C (O'Neill) planted himself outside the arc and didn't step down at all on the drive -- he wasn't prepared to officiate it at all, it appeared.

I'm not interested in ripping these guys -- I just want to learn from it so I can remember these things in my next game.

AremRed Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 881924)
And that dunk was bad at the end too.

In a postgame interview, the player admitted he should have shown better sportmanship and not dunked the ball.

JetMetFan Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:33am

The things I miss when I'm on my way to work...
 
Hopefully APG or I can get to this by morning but...wow. To echo what JRut said earlier, I don't care what call is made on that drive but someone has to have a whistle on that contact. I'll give the ISU HC credit. If that's me, KU might have won the game right there with the extra two FTs from the T I would've picked up. :)

I've always felt no-calls like that one have a trickle-down effect into H.S. Some officials at lower levels justify adopting the "let the kids decide the game" mantra after seeing these at the college level.

Texas Aggie Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:34am

Clear player control. Was watching it in a restaurant and immediately said, "why didn't he call a charge?" And then the phantom foul call he actually made. Sorry, but if I'm critiquing the crew, I would be all over them about this.

KU was down by 5 with under a minute and traded fouls and 3 point shots for (2) free throws. As often happens, it worked and will continue to work until they change that rule. It wasn't like ISU couldn't shoot free throws -- they made all but one down the stretch. And their defense wasn't horrific -- 2 three point shots by KU were with guys all over them.

jbduke Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:57am

Doesn't matter that Smith wasn't closed down, as he had a clear angle on the defender all the way. O'Neill made no effort at all to get an angle on the play from the slot, and actually didn't have a great look from where he was standing. Whitehead wasn't hustling from trail, and so wasn't anywhere near close enough to play hero and get the play, even though he, too, seems to have had an open angle.

Yikes all around.

canuckrefguy Tue Feb 26, 2013 01:19am

Just watched the video on ESPN and froze it at the moment of contact.

Centre is completely blocked by two players - surprised at how stationary he is on this play.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...all/BCplay.png

But Lead has a clear view of the whole thing - I don't care how wide he is. And then to come in with a foul on the guy who got plowed - yikes.

Don't want to pile on - but goes to show even the big dogs kick one every now and then.

BIG 12 TO REVIEW CALLS IN KANSAS' WIN

The final minute of regulation of Kansas' 108-96 overtime victory over Iowa State on Monday is under review by the Big 12 Conference, the conference's coordinator of officials told ESPN.com Monday night.


At issue was a block or charge call that wasn't made when Elijah Johnson drove inside as Kansas trailed 90-88 with five seconds remaining. Iowa State's Georges Niang appeared to have his feet set, but no call was made as Johnson made contact with Niang.


Instead, Niang was called for a hold when Johnson's shot missed and the ball came loose on the floor. Johnson went to the free-throw line and made the two free throws to force overtime.


Monday's officials were Tom O'Neill, Mark Whitehead and Bert Smith.


Curtis Shaw, a former longtime official and now the league's coordinator, watched Kansas' win. Shaw wouldn't say whether the officials made the right call at the end of regulation.


"We will handle the situation and approach the teams appropriately," said Shaw. "We review every play and take the appropriate action."


Under normal reviews, Shaw will look at the position of the officials, where they are when they make calls. He said there are plenty of tough calls to make during a game and officials aren't perfect. Calls are missed, no calls occur and this happens at different times of the game, even when a team doesn't have time to recover.


When asked what kind of accountability could occur for officials, Shaw said that because officials are independent contractors, the way the conference handles any kind of disciplinary action if warranted is through future assignments.


Big 12 to review last minute of Kansas-Iowa State game, coordinator of officials says - ESPN

Camron Rust Tue Feb 26, 2013 01:59am

And the trail could have even got that...he has the most open look of anyone.

JRutledge Tue Feb 26, 2013 02:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 881931)
In a postgame interview, the player admitted he should have shown better sportmanship and not dunked the ball.

I am really glad he acknowledged that fact. Class for him to do that in a national interview. He is a kid so I can see his thinking at the time, but he admitted it was not a good thing.

Peace

Raymond Tue Feb 26, 2013 08:39am

I'll just say I've never been a big fan of the floor mechanics I see from officials in Big 12 games.


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