Miami at Wake Forest 3pt play

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yes. In a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes I would and I'm sure I've done so in the past.

Thanks.

There are times in basketball I still struggle to find what the proper mix of philosophy and rulebook application is. I can't say I've seen a play like this yet but I have a feeling if I have, I would have wiped the shot

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Thanks.

There are times in basketball I still struggle to find what the proper mix of philosophy and rulebook application is. I can't say I've seen a play like this yet but I have a feeling if I have, I would have wiped the shot

Instead of the play in the video think about this play:

2 football player sized big men in the post. A1 has the ball below his waist and starts to raise it while elevating for his try attempt. B1 whacks his wrists, A1 bobbles basketball, A1 gathers it back in around chest level and finishes successful try.

Can you imagine explaining to A1's coach why you are awarding 2 shots instead of going with an "And 1"?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Thanks.

There are times in basketball I still struggle to find what the proper mix of philosophy and rulebook application is. I can't say I've seen a play like this yet but I have a feeling if I have, I would have wiped the shot

If you want to see heads explode, let's talk about holding a whistle on a foul to ensure that the foul is put on the shot attempt rather than rushing in like the cavalry to tell everyone it was "before the shot".

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you want to see heads explode, let's talk about holding a whistle on a foul to ensure that the foul is put on the shot attempt rather than rushing in like the cavalry to tell everyone it was "before the shot".

OK I have done that before.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's some other folks here who only look at the black and white of the rule book and think the game is being damaged if certain areas or "levels" have practical applications that don't always stick to the exact letter of the law.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I'm counting that basket at any level I work.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I know you do.

It's some other folks here who only look at the black and white of the rule book and think the game is being damaged if certain areas or "levels" have practical applications that don't always stick to the exact letter of the law.

Even worse is the people who bring those practical applications from another "level" and apply them during a different game. And their excuse is "well, in my XYZ games, that's the way we call it".

As far as the OP, I would count the basket even in a HS game. That's just a flat out strong athletic move and should not be taken away from the shooter.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Even worse is the people who bring those practical applications from another "level" and apply them during a different game. And their excuse is "well, in my XYZ games, that's the way we call it".

As far as the OP, I would count the basket even in a HS game. That's just a flat out strong athletic move and should not be taken away from the shooter.

Thinking out loud here, he's fouled, catches ball and comes to a jump stop...from that position he shoots again. Count it?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Thinking out loud here, he's fouled, catches ball and comes to a jump stop...from that position he shoots again. Count it?

Hmmmm...making my head hurt now, but I think I probably would not in this scenario. Depends on the timing/tempo of the whistle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Thinking out loud here, he's fouled, catches ball and comes to a jump stop...from that position he shoots again. Count it?

This was brought up this weekend during film study at a camp while discussing continuous motion. Person running the study says a jump stop ends the try.

I haven't done any research yet to verify.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My advice to anybody who has this in a college try out camp: count the basket. College mentality is that this is a great athletic and strong play by A1 and he is going to get rewarded for playing through the foul.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This was brought up this weekend during film study at a camp while discussing continuous motion. Person running the study says a jump stop ends the try.

I haven't done any research yet to verify.

Was this a college-level film study? I'm trying to reconcile these two posts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Was this a college-level film study? I'm trying to reconcile these two posts.

One comment was made back in February referencing only this play, the other was made after this weekend and about a different aspect of continuous motion.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Was this a college-level film study? I'm trying to reconcile these two posts.

See JRut's response. 2 different plays.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One comment was made back in February referencing only this play, the other was made after this weekend and about a different aspect of continuous motion.

Peace

When the ball is caught out of the air after the contact, how is it continuous motion?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the ball is caught out of the air after the contact, how is it continuous motion?

Are you saying a try ends because the ball is knocked out of his hands?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the ball is caught out of the air after the contact, how is it continuous motion?

Because:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"Good call fellas"

NCAA supervisors do not want this shot waved off.

Any HS ref who attended a college camp would get an earful if he waved off a bobble on the way up as the end of the try. In a HS game if you wave it off you can justify it by rule. In a HS game if you score the basket I don't think anybody would say a word.

But if you are a HS ref auditioning for a college job you're best served by counting the basket as it would be the expected call.