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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:01pm
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Yeah, but if that is what the leadership in your organization want you to do there is value in doing it even if it is stupid / pointless. That is, if you want to work games
I don't disagree. But he asked us, "Anything I should add or subtract for either? Why?"
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:29pm
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I'm looking for thoughts on Captains and Coaches pregames. (Captains and Coaches... sounds like a cereal, eh?)

For my Captains' meeting I usually go with "Good evening fellas/ladies. (I then introduce my partner and myself) Let's make sure we're pursuing victory with honor. It's real important that white talks to white and blue talks to blue. Any questions? Have a great game and good luck."

What I avoid:
"I'm so and so, this is my partner, so and so and we'll be your referees tonight." I bite the inside of my cheek when my partners say that lest I bust out laughing thinking of all the smart ash things that could be said in response...
"Help us out with the balls that go out of bounds, etc."
"Let's watch out for the hand checking."
"You're the speaking captains, so we'll listen to you."
"Are your teammates properly equipped?"

For my Coaches' meetings... I introduce my partner and myself then ask if players are properly equipped. I remind them of the coach's box and ask them to make sure they're pursuing victory with honor. I finish with "Any questions? Good luck." A handshake and out.

I don't like the "Help us out with the timeouts, thirty or full." Nor do I like the "We'll be happy to answer any questions during the game."

Anything I should add or subtract for either? Why?

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I like to keep it VERY short and simple. Say hello, have them introduce themselves to each other, ask for their help if they see a teammate getting a little excited ("It's a LOT easier if you deal with it than if we do"), ask if they have any questions, and wish them luck.

None of that "who's the speaking captain?" nonsense. Speaking for what? There's no coin flip. No extraneous stuff. Let's just get going.

And another thing, I don't like telling them my first name. They're high school or junior high kids - it's not a meeting of equals. Maybe that's just me, but I prefer at least a little formality.

One of my partners that I had a few times was pretty much like this:

"Ok, we've got a white (or black or whatever) line all around - that's the out of bounds line. We have a center line right here [no sh##, we're standing right on it]. If the ball hits the wires or supports above the basket we're going to blow it dead. Now we want you to play with your feet, not your hands. We'll try and talk you out of stuff. Make sure you hustle in and out of timeouts. Ok, who's the speaking captain? Can you raise up your warmup jacket so I can see your number? Ok. You've been selected as captains for a reason, so we'll look to you for leadership. We want good sportsmanship tonight and your teammates and your coaches are looking for you to lead the way. Listen for the whistle and make sure to hand the ball to us. Are there any questions? Ok, shake hands one more time and good luck."

HOLY HELL DUDE! You could often see the kids rolling their eyes. Inside, mine were too.
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Captains: Take care of your knuckleheads so we don't have to.

It's shorter than the brief intros.

Coaches: All your players are legally equipped? Let us know on timeouts, and have them out and ready on the second horn. Questions? Good luck.
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"Respect each other, respect us, respect the game. Any questions?"

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So when the coach asks, "How are you going to call the hand check tonight?" or "Are you going to call it tight, or let em see if they can play through the contact tonight?" what do you tell them? This is a couple examples of cans of worms I really don't want to open, therefore, I NEVER ask them if they have any questions.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:52pm
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So when the coach asks, "How are you going to call the hand check tonight?" or "Are you going to call it tight, or let em see if they can play through the contact tonight?" what do you tell them?
"Both ways."
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:15pm
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"Both ways."
"By the book."

"Using advantage / disadvantege"


"You'll have 4 tries to figure it out."

And, no one ever asks a question like that, so it's a moot point.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:33pm
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Yep, and if he did, I'd start the game with great intel on the coach.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:15pm
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In lower level games, I do tell the players to help us out with the ball. It probably falls on deaf ears though.

My spiel is short, thanks to the guidance from this forum.

I have worked with guys that go crazy with talks, including several phrases that they have the players repeat back several times. I think I turn 5 shades of red trying to disappear into the floor.
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I don't tell them to get the ball until the game starts and the ball is rolling out of reach. They figure it out quick.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:33pm
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I don't tell them to get the ball until the game starts and the ball is rolling out of reach. They figure it out quick.
I'm fat, old, and slow. I got one bad knee and the other doesn't bend. If you don't want this game to take all night, you'll shag the loose balls so I don't have to...

Or is that too much?
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Old Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:24pm
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i don't tell them to get the ball until the game starts and the ball is rolling out of reach. They figure it out quick.
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Old Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:30pm
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I'm fat, old, and slow. I got one bad knee and the other doesn't bend. If you don't want this game to take all night, you'll shag the loose balls so I don't have to...

Or is that too much?
Yes. B/c none of them is going to go back and tell their teammates what you said.

Kids learn to chase down the ball when they us just standing there.
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Old Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:29pm
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OK. But why warn them for something that may not happen?

I agree that talking about hand checking or anything else is inappropriate. But so is this.
With all due respect, using this logic should we say anything about sportsmanship? (What our assignors or the Fed says notwithstanding, of course. )
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Old Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:55pm
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I think someone here (in another thread) mentioned asking the coaches if they are the only ones communicating with the officials. Is this a widespread thing?
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I think someone here (in another thread) mentioned asking the coaches if they are the only ones communicating with the officials. Is this a widespread thing?
Not here.
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Old Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:11pm
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I think someone here (in another thread) mentioned asking the coaches if they are the only ones communicating with the officials. Is this a widespread thing?
I once had a coach tell me that he would be the only person talking to the officials, that none of his players would be. We ended up whacking one player that game, and the coach had an early exit.
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Old Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:53am
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I once had a coach tell me that he would be the only person talking to the officials, that none of his players would be. We ended up whacking one player that game, and the coach had an early exit.
I had a visiting team a few weeks ago from another part of the state that was playing a team locally on a Friday night. The HC did his communicating through the players. It was kind of weird. It only happened a couple of times, but I would call a foul on #10 for example, and he would ask what he did, I would tell him, and he would turn around and tell the coach. The players were really respectful and professional about how they asked us questions, and they would relay it on to their HC and he would just nod and say "okay". I had never seen that before.
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