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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:09am
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Play one is bang bang as to whether the right foot came down before the ball was released...as such, I wouldn't called a travel and wouldn't expect it to be called a travel.
Irrelevant....he had already traveled long before that.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:14am
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Irrelevant....he had already traveled long before that.
I have the gather with both feet on the floor...followed by a step with the right foot...so it's relevant IMO.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:20am
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That first play is a travel - and not a ticky-tack one, either.

Good no-call on the second play - defender is in his position before shooter leaves the floor, but only minimal side contact. Play on.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:07pm
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I have the gather with both feet on the floor...followed by a step with the right foot...so it's relevant IMO.
Show me the definition of "gather"? All we've got is holding the ball or not.

At the point shown below, his dribble had ended by catching the ball in one hand (if he dribbled again after this it would be a carry). It doesn't take two hands on the ball to hold the ball.



The left foot is off the floor making his right foot the pivot when the left foot touches.

To allow the foot movement in this play is just not intended by the rules. It might be fair to say that some, even many, officials might not see it and call it, but it is incorrect to say it isn't a travel.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:14pm
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This really wasn't close to being legal.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:45pm
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You cannot take a picture and then make assumptions based only on the picture. Sorry Camron but that almost never works as what happened right before or I could make a case that the player had not gathered yet.

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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:51pm
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No assumptions here about anything. This picture is just the highlight of what the video clearly shows.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:59pm
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No assumptions here about anything. This picture is just the highlight of what the video clearly shows.
Gathering the ball is an overall action, not a split second moment. All the picture shows is a ball kind of in the hand, but not necessarily in control or the moment a pivot foot or pivot feet have been established. Like I tell fans, you cannot show me a picture and tell the story of what was called or not called. Why is this picture so special?

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