Indiana/Michigan St. Flagrant.

[JimmyJimmy]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone think the official was wrong to point at the MSU player for so long while he was on the floor?

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

Oh Lord I hope not.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

Get "on the floor" out of your vocabulary.

[JimmyJimmy]

Originally Posted by APG

Get "on the floor" out of your vocabulary.

ok - bad choice of words. I'm a newbie, so what's correct? "Down"?. To me, it still looks like the official was pointing at the floor and not the player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

ok - bad choice of words. I'm a newbie, so what's correct? "Down"?. To me, it still looks like the official was pointing at the floor and not the player.

No, just say "before the shot" or "no shot" if there's any question.

The fact is, being "on the floor" or "down" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a player was in the act of shooting (unless it was after the shot was released.)

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, just say "before the shot" or "no shot" if there's any question.

"No shot" is superior, IMO: the foul can be "before the shot" and still result in (non-bonus) FT's. If the foul made the ball dead, then there was no shot.

"No shot" also covers the case in which it would have been a shooting foul, except the ball became dead when the fouled player traveled before releasing the ball on a try.