Indiana/Michigan St. Flagrant.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

ok - bad choice of words. I'm a newbie, so what's correct? "Down"?. To me, it still looks like the official was pointing at the floor and not the player.

No, just say "before the shot" or "no shot" if there's any question.

The fact is, being "on the floor" or "down" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a player was in the act of shooting (unless it was after the shot was released.)

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, just say "before the shot" or "no shot" if there's any question.

"No shot" is superior, IMO: the foul can be "before the shot" and still result in (non-bonus) FT's. If the foul made the ball dead, then there was no shot.

"No shot" also covers the case in which it would have been a shooting foul, except the ball became dead when the fouled player traveled before releasing the ball on a try.