Caught Up in the Moment?
 

I'm not counting this one......

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I'm with you. It's not a try so it had to either remain in the basket or pass through it before the period ended.

No points scored. It's not a try, so the ball is dead as soon as the buzzer sounds/light goes on. The ball had yet to enter the basket, so it's nothing.

I think the new T (old L) thinks it shouldn't count.

Agreed it is not a try, but what was that first buzzer?

Who Shot The Sheriff ???
 

Shot clock.

I see 0 ( ZERO) Hear the horn before the shot, I know that the LEDs are late, not my problem, no shot.

In a way it's too bad the rules say it shouldn't count. Stupidity should have a price.

We don't have that in my area and at my level. Never think to look for that. :o

That horn you hear is for the shot clock (of which I'm surprised there aren't any lights for this as well...). The lights for the end of the period aren't late. And for that matter, lights ARE your problem because if you have lights in an NFHS game, it takes precedent for end of period versus the horn.

The shot clock went to zero and a horn for its expiry sounded. The game clock is not visible in the video.

Then the horn and LED went off for the end of the period. The ball had not entered the basket prior to the end of the period, so a dead ball passed through the basket. No points.

The shot clock isn't supposed to trigger the LEDs. That's part of the NCAA rule and since this happened on an NCAA court they're not hooked up that way.

Interesting...in the NBA, they have a single bar light on the backboard for the shot clock with all the lights coming on for the end of a period.

This play triggered a disappointing discussion for me locally. :(

I've noticed that (flashing lights are cool :D...) but when an NCAA game is played in an NBA arena that function has to be disabled.

No shock there. Did the light (ahem) eventually come on for those who haven't picked up a rule book in 20 years?

OK, I'll bite. . .
 

Why is it not a try?

What's the definition of a try?

Colour blind
 

Oh, my gosh! That's what I get for staying-up/getting-up so late!

Care to elaborate?

Not publicly.

I see the definition of try 4-41-2, but if you look at scoring 5-2-2 and 5-2-3 then it would count. A1 gets the shot off before the shot clock violation then B1 rebounds and puts it back in...basket counts.

What is the difference A1 shoots and misses then B1 trys to rebound but taps it in his own goal. Do you wave off the basket or count it?

No, you would wave off that tip (assuming your situation involves time expiring after the ball is tipped but before it goes through the basket).

The part you need to look at is what makes the ball dead. The ball is dead when time expires, unless a try in in progress. 6-7-6 (exception)

To me it looks like B1's try was clearly in flight during the final horn sounding...i count the basket. 6-7-9a

It's not a try, as a try is an attempt to score "by throwing the ball into a team's own basket." 4-41-2 The exception doesn't apply, so the ball is dead.

Sure it was. It just wasn't a try. By definition, this is not a try... so the ball is dead the instant the horn sounds.

I suspect this referee was motivated by the "penalize stupidity wherever possible" mantra... it's just not possible here. Hope this got fixed by his partner.

Kind of sad that every single one of us (with one late exception) knew right away without looking it up that this is not a try, and had to pass through the basket before the buzzer to count... yet the guy getting paid big bucks for a televised game did not.

What makes you think these officials were paid "big bucks" for this game or that the game was televised?

Looks like a JUCO or DIII game and depending on where it is, most likely is not anywhere near big bucks.

And I see nothing indicating the game is televised, which doesnt mean much either. I've done HS games televised on local access TV and guess what? They paid the same as all of the other varsity games I do.

I agree the officials should know the rules but not with your reasoning here. Officials should know the rules because it's our job, regardless of the level you are working.

I understand now. I am first year guy and still learning the ins and outs of the rule book. Thanks.

Let's say that the player who "shot" that ball into the wrong basket, did so by releasing the ball behind the 3-point line, AND it went through the basket before the game clock buzzer sounded/light went on.

Are there points scored, and if so, how many?

W&J on court..is this Washington and Jefferson a D3 in Pennsylvania?

It would be 2 pts. (5-2)

2 points is correct. No books on me, so I can't comment on the reference.

An odd nit to pick. I guess I assumed it was televised because we had video. I see now it's a bit amateurish so maybe I was wrong.

How many games should he have to give back?

Think he meant stupidity as far as the player.

As Adam suspected, I meant the player

One clarification to this, thanks to NCAA 1-19-4:

So you can have both but the game clock can only activate the LEDs on the backboard.