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RookieDude Sat Feb 16, 2013 03:03pm

"We're getting HOME'erd!"
 
Regional Championship game...whatta ya got?

Hypothetical situation, of course...;)

R is running by bench as Coach says it loud enough for the official to here it.

rockyroad Sat Feb 16, 2013 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 879841)
Regional Championship game...whatta ya got?

Hypothetical situation, of course...;)

R is running by bench as Coach says it loud enough for the official to here it.

Choices...1) Ignore. 2) Warn. 3) Whack. 4) Laugh about it with partners over post game beverages.

There are, of course, several possible combinations of the above...

So, which did you do?

OKREF Sat Feb 16, 2013 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 879842)
Choices...1) Ignore. 2) Warn. 3) Whack. 4) Laugh about it with partners over post game beverages.

There are, of course, several possible combinations of the above...

So, which did you do?

Probably 1 and 4 for me. But possibly 3, depending on what has happened with the coach previously in the game.

RookieDude Sat Feb 16, 2013 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 879842)

So, which did you do?

I'm going to hold off answering...I would like to see a few more responses.

I will tell you that at least one of your "choices" is what would happen in this "hypothetical".

RookieDude Sat Feb 16, 2013 03:45pm

Wwjrd
 
WWJRD

What Would Jurassic Referee Do?

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 16, 2013 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 879845)
WWJRD

What Would Jurassic Referee Do?

If the coach was already warned, he'd likely whack. JR didn't believe in multiple warnings. :)

JRutledge Sat Feb 16, 2013 04:13pm

I would add another option for me at least. Confront the coach about the comment directly if you are standing right there. I guess that is warning, but if I did not have to yell I would likely say something.

Peace

just another ref Sat Feb 16, 2013 05:11pm

It's like a lot of other comments, as much how it was said as what was actually said. If it's directed at nobody in particular, just musing aloud to oneself, I'd probably ignore it. (the same tone as a person saying "Oh, no! I can't believe it's raining again.) If it was in an angry tone obviously directed at me, it could be worth a whack.

Mark Padgett Sat Feb 16, 2013 06:45pm

I had a coach yell that at me once. Of course, this guy was my partner. D'oh!


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rockyroad Sat Feb 16, 2013 06:56pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 879849)
I would add another option for me at least. Confront the coach about the comment directly if you are standing right there. I guess that is warning, but if I did not have to yell I would likely say something.

Peace

True...OP did say that the official was running past the bench when it was said, so that's not really an option at the moment. Next dead ball maybe, or when we come back down to his end. Personally not a big fan of ignoring comments like that from a coach...so I would either warn or whack.

Adam Sat Feb 16, 2013 07:15pm

I'm likely to stick him. If not, the warning would be extremely clear.

Rich Sat Feb 16, 2013 07:15pm

The coach says the team is getting homered?

Whackerooni. No doubt. He's calling your INTEGRITY into question.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 16, 2013 07:55pm

"Coach, I'll be glad to answer your question about a call, but I will not put up with any further comments along those lines."

(assuming nothing has been said so far, and the coach has been reasonably well behaved)

tomegun Sun Feb 17, 2013 02:07am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 879849)
I would add another option for me at least. Confront the coach about the comment directly if you are standing right there. I guess that is warning, but if I did not have to yell I would likely say something.

Peace

I had this happen over Christmas. An out of town coach was saying something - basically that we were cheating for a Vegas team. I addressed it immediately and the coach thought he should have a parting shot by repeating a variation of the same. Technical foul.

JRutledge Sun Feb 17, 2013 02:09am

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 879942)
I had this happen over Christmas. An out of town coach was saying something - basically that we were cheating for a Vegas team. I addressed it immediately and the coach thought he should have a parting shot by repeating a variation of the same. Technical foul.

I wonder who that coach was? Hmmmmmmmmmm :D

BTW, that same coach got stuck in a Christmas tournament here too for a similar comment. Well that is if we are talking about the same guy. I wonder who that would be? :D

Peace

RookieDude Sun Feb 17, 2013 03:52am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 879859)
The coach says the team is getting homered?

Whackerooni. No doubt. He's calling your INTEGRITY into question.

That's the answer that matched this scenario....NO DOUBT....

Homered=Cheating...in my book. Whack!

And we did discuss it after the game over refreshments...but, there wasn't any laughing about it. A Coach tells me our crew is cheating...I don't take that lightly. Integrity is all we have, at the end of the day.

I will say the Coach had some class when asked by a reporter what happened...he said it wasn't the officials fault he lost, he said his team just didn't play good defense and they weren't shooting well.

Sharpshooternes Sun Feb 17, 2013 06:08am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 879954)
That's the answer that matched this scenario....NO DOUBT....

Homered=Cheating...in my book. Whack!

And we did discuss it after the game over refreshments...but, there wasn't any laughing about it. A Coach tells me our crew is cheating...I don't take that lightly. Integrity is all we have, at the end of the day.

I will say the Coach had some class when asked by a reporter what happened...he said it wasn't the officials fault he lost, he said his team just didn't play good defense and they weren't shooting well.

I have been having a hard time with the whole technical foul thing. I really like who almost all of you decide whether to give a T or not. It is really just business, no hard feelings, no skin off your back, it helps improve the game. It really seems as if most of the guys in my association are too frugal with them and hardly ever give them at. 1-2 per year if that. I know the coaches and players aren't that well behaved. I really feel like if I were to give a T for the above comment, I don't know that my association would agree with me. I think it is totally justified. Does anyone else have this issue with their association?

bob jenkins Sun Feb 17, 2013 08:36am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 879959)
I have been having a hard time with the whole technical foul thing. I really like who almost all of you decide whether to give a T or not. It is really just business, no hard feelings, no skin off your back, it helps improve the game. It really seems as if most of the guys in my association are too frugal with them and hardly ever give them at. 1-2 per year if that. I know the coaches and players aren't that well behaved. I really feel like if I were to give a T for the above comment, I don't know that my association would agree with me. I think it is totally justified. Does anyone else have this issue with their association?

Everyone who is newer (and I apologize if my impression is incorrect) struggles with this issue.

JRutledge Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:39am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 879967)
Everyone who is newer (and I apologize if my impression is incorrect) struggles with this issue.

There are veterans that struggle with this too. It is one of the hardest parts of what we do bacause we hear so much stuff it is hard to decide which is the proper way to handle these things all the time. And every coach is so different in how they handle things or respond, it is just hard to come up with a one-size-fits-all standard.

Peace

RookieDude Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:51pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 879959)
I really feel like if I were to give a T for the above comment, I don't know that my association would agree with me. I think it is totally justified. Does anyone else have this issue with their association?

Sorry it took so long to get back to you with an answer/comment. I've been kind of busy this week-end and have not had a chance to check in here...

In regards to the T given to the Coach for his comment in the OP...

an up and coming official e-mailed me the day after and said he was sitting with our assigner at the game.

He stated that our assigner told him, just 1 minute prior to my T, that the coach was going to get whacked.

So... to answer your question...no issues in this part of Rome. ;)

Edit: I realize that our assignor could not have heard the comment...so he was talking about behavior...So, with the coaches behavior AND the comment I'm glad I did not let him slide. I must say that personally I had not really had a problem with the coach...so it must have been a sort of sense I had that he needed to get whacked.

Rich Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:11pm

Personally, it's a no brainer for me. Like I said upthread, it's a direct assault on the crew's integrity and I'm not going to waste time giving warnings or ignoring such tripe.

I'm not the fastest T in the west, but I rarely let one slide that I feel later I should've gotten.

mplagrow Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:24pm

Not sure I'd T him the first time, depending on how loud he said it. If he was intentionally saying it loud enough for me to 'overhear' I might go for it, but if it's a blowout and he's on the losing end I'm not usually one to add to the mess and give him something else to complain about. In which case I'd let him know on no uncertain terms that he's got no place questioning my integrity before whacking him.

zm1283 Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:50pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880310)
Personally, it's a no brainer for me. Like I said upthread, it's a direct assault on the crew's integrity and I'm not going to waste time giving warnings or ignoring such tripe.

I'm not the fastest T in the west, but I rarely let one slide that I feel later I should've gotten.

No brainer for me too. I wouldn't think twice about sticking him for this comment.

canuckrefguy Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:20am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 879841)
R is running by bench as Coach says it loud enough for the official to here it.

Who else can hear it?

Adam Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:45am

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 880319)
Who else can hear it?

With that comment, I personally don't care who hears it. If I hear it, that's enough.

RookieDude Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:47am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 880321)
With that comment, I personally don't care who hears it. If I hear it, that's enough.

Yep...

canuckrefguy Tue Feb 19, 2013 01:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 880321)
With that comment, I personally don't care who hears it. If I hear it, that's enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 880322)
Yep...

I'm inclined to agree, but without actually experiencing exactly what happened, I can't say I'd 100% whack him on the spot.

RookieDude Tue Feb 19, 2013 01:19am

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 880330)
I'm inclined to agree, but without actually experiencing exactly what happened, I can't say I'd 100% whack him on the spot.

...then I would say you 100% don't mind being called a cheater.;)

(I hear you...and you are not alone in your thinking)

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Feb 19, 2013 02:49am

I was in a game early this year in the town of Kenai, Alaska. Coach from out of town didn't like a call on an illegal screen by one of my partners. After the call, partner had a quick chance to explain the call and he did. A moment later, I was in front of the coach and he was still complaining about this call, and dropped the comment, "That's just a homer call." I said to the coach, "No Coach, that was a Kenai call. Homer is about 90 miles down the road. :D Which is a true statement. Homer, Alaska is another town about 90 miles south of Kenai. Coach just chuckled a little and sat down.

As far as what others have said about coach challenging the integrity of the crew, or any member of the crew, I agree that we have to work together and protect each other. Had one this weekend where there was a scramble for the ball right in front of the visitor's bench. Partner called it out on the visitors. As I went to administer the throw in in front of the V bench, coach say, "You really need to help your partner out on that one." I whack him. He then asks why I he got the T for "only" saying that. I said, "Well, which one of us are you saying screwed you on that call." After a brief pause, and silence from him, I said, "Neither answer would be acceptable." That was the third T of the game. Already had tagged the home coach and a home player.


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