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PG_Ref Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:43am

Leg kick
 
In our area, we are starting to notice a growing trend. The airborne jumpshooter kicking out the leg so that the defender makes contact. Shooter then hits the deck. How would this be adjudicated in your areas.

rekent Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:46am

First, what Adam said below. But then if it has to be a call: Who encroached on whose legally acquired space?

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:55am

Generally a no call for me.

Tio Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:01pm

It is a no-call and the first chance after he does it I tell him not to do it again.

PG_Ref Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 879397)
Who encroached on whose legally acquired space?

Not sure it's quite that simple ...

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879402)
Generally a no call for me.

More inclined to lean this way.

BigT Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:32pm

We are seeing this too in our neck of the woods. If the kick is severe enough to hurt player is it a personal foul or a player control foul?

rockyroad Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 879445)
We are seeing this too in our neck of the woods. If the kick is severe enough to hurt player is it a personal foul or a player control foul?

He is an airborne shooter, right? That should answer your question.

just another ref Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 879445)
We are seeing this too in our neck of the woods. If the kick is severe enough to hurt player is it a personal foul or a player control foul?

A player control foul is a personal foul.

Treeguy Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 879447)
A player control foul is a personal foul.

Once the ball is released, it cannot be a PC foul, no team or player control. Maybe that is what he is wondering.

rockyroad Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by Treeguy (Post 879452)
Once the ball is released, it cannot be a PC foul, no team or player control. Maybe that is what he is wondering.

Unless it is a foul by the airborne shooter.

APG Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 879445)
We are seeing this too in our neck of the woods. If the kick is severe enough to hurt player is it a personal foul or a player control foul?

The ole Reggie Miller move...

If contact is marginal, then go with a no call...if it isn't, then send it the other way.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treeguy (Post 879452)
Once the ball is released, it cannot be a PC foul, no team or player control. Maybe that is what he is wondering.

On a try?

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treeguy (Post 879452)
Once the ball is released, it cannot be a PC foul, no team or player control. Maybe that is what he is wondering.

Not to pile on, but are you sure?

rockyroad Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879463)
Not to pile on, but are you sure?

:p

maven Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 879445)
We are seeing this too in our neck of the woods. If the kick is severe enough to hurt player is it a personal foul or a player control foul?

Perhaps you're wondering if it's possible to call an intentional (personal) foul?

That would have to be some kick, and probably not the play envisioned by the OP, but yes, if the contact is excessive, in principle you could have an INT. For me to call that, it would have to be obvious to everyone that the player was more interested in kicking than shooting.

Treeguy Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 879455)
Unless it is a foul by the airborne shooter.

Yep, I was not thinking, I had all wrong in my head.

just another ref Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 879447)
A player control foul is a personal foul.

I should have added: And this would be both.

Blindolbat Thu Feb 14, 2013 05:32pm

So on the follow-thru if a players hand and arms extend out past the vertical plane but a player runs by and hits his arm while he's airborne, this is a foul. But if it's the foot or leg, we just let it go?

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 05:36pm

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Originally Posted by Blindolbat (Post 879544)
So on the follow-thru if a players hand and arms extend out past the vertical plane but a player runs by and hits his arm while he's airborne, this is a foul. But if it's the foot or leg, we just let it go?

Your initial premise is flawed.

VaTerp Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:16am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 879456)
The ole Reggie Miller move...

If contact is marginal, then go with a no call...if it isn't, then send it the other way.

The NBA actually made this a point of emphasis the year, I believe. They want more officials calling offensive fouls on players for creating contact with the leg kick on jump shots.

I have seen it called a few times.

In my HS school games I have not seen this much to the extent that a PC was warranted but I have seen a few flops with extending the leg and flopping to make it look like a foul on the defender.

APG Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:23am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 879587)
The NBA actually made this a point of emphasis the year, I believe. They want more officials calling offensive fouls on players for creating contact with the leg kick on jump shots.

I have seen it called a few times.

In my HS school games I have not seen this much to the extent that a PC was warranted but I have seen a few flops with extending the leg and flopping to make it look like a foul on the defender.

Yes, contact on the jump shot is a POE this year...including the shooter creating contact by extending his leg. In fact, I believe the league has been trying to crack down on this the past couple of years, and I've definitely seen more no-call or offensive fouls call on these type of plays.

VaTerp Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:44am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 879589)
Yes, contact on the jump shot is a POE this year...including the shooter creating contact by extending his leg. In fact, I believe the league has been trying to crack down on this the past couple of years, and I've definitely seen more no-call or offensive fouls call on these type of plays.

I think Jodie Meeks just got away with one in the Clipper/Laker game. Watching live it looked like a shooting foul on Matt Barnes but on replay I think Meeks kicked his leg.

Got away with it and ended up with a 4 pt play.

Just happened with a few seconds left in 3rd quarter.


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