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fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:34am

celebration on shot sending game to OT
 
A1 hits a trey at buzzer to send game into OT. A team rushes onto court to celebrate with shooter( did not see it) I believe a T and OT starts with free throws.

Correct? If so rule reference which I can't find.

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:36am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 878980)
A1 hits a trey at buzzer to send game into OT. A team rushes onto court to celebrate with shooter( did not see it) I believe a T and OT starts with free throws.

Correct? If so rule reference which I can't find.

That's a lack of common sense, right there.

Let them celebrate for a bit and then they'll go back to their benches in short order to prepare for overtime.

fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:40am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 878983)
That's a lack of common sense, right there.

Let them celebrate for a bit and then they'll go back to their benches in short order to prepare for overtime.

Didn't ask that.......looking for a rule reference if true

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:40am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 878988)
Didn't ask that.......looking for a rule reference if true

Irrelevant. Such a thing should never be called by a competent official.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:43am

Fullor, 5-6-2-4

4. If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter or extra period,
the next quarter or extra period is started by administering the free throws. This applies when
the foul occurs after any quarter has ended, including the fourth quarter, provided there is to
be an extra period. If there is no way to determine whether there will be an extra period until
the free throws are administered, the free throws are attempted immediately, as if the foul had
been part of the preceding quarter.

fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:48am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 878989)
Irrelevant. Such a thing should never be called by a competent official.

I understand your rationale, what we don't know is the degree of celebrating and again, I'm looking for a rule reference.

FYI.......I'd be hard pressed to ever call this too

fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:51am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 878995)
Fullor, 5-6-2-4

4. If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter or extra period,
the next quarter or extra period is started by administering the free throws. This applies when
the foul occurs after any quarter has ended, including the fourth quarter, provided there is to
be an extra period. If there is no way to determine whether there will be an extra period until
the free throws are administered, the free throws are attempted immediately, as if the foul had
been part of the preceding quarter.

I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

Terrapins Fan Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:53am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879001)
I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

How did they handle it?

Adam Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879001)
I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

How did they handle it?

Did the court get rushed before the horn?

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879001)
I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

Call the state office over this? Really? *Amazing* lack of common sense. :D

Edited to add: Are you talking about players or fans? Sounds like the OP mentioned A, so I assume players after the horn since the shot was at the horn.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:01am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879001)
I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

You won't (I don't think) find anything directly on this. If it's unsporting or before the buzzer, or delays the OT, then get the T.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:05am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879001)
I still can't find anything about rushing court? Possibly under a delay scenario??

This was told to me from an official who's partner was on the game. Crew called State office and were told they handled it correctly.

I'm sorry, I thought you were asking about the handling of the free throws.

The one thing I've found that comes close to addressing it is this and it is not exactly the same:

Quote:


5.6.2 SITUATION G:

The score is tied when A1 is fouled in the act of shooting and the try is unsuccessful. Playing time for the fourth quarter expires while the ball is in flight. No players are allowed along the lane. A1's first free-throw attempt is *successful. Immediately following the made free throw the occupants of the Team A bench rush onto the court and a mini celebration takes place.

RULING: The *second free throw is not required. No penalty unless the celebration or any act is unsporting and a foul is charged to Team A before the final score has been approved. (5-6-2 Exception 3)
I'd apply the same standard here.

Tio Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:10am

Why can't they come on the court to celebrate? Regulation is over, right?

fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 879006)
Call the state office over this? Really? *Amazing* lack of common sense. :D

Edited to add: Are you talking about players or fans? Sounds like the OP mentioned A, so I assume players after the horn since the shot was at the horn.

Getting this situation third hand so I'm assuming there had to be more. Believe me, I'd have to have a gun to my head to call a T on this.

Only thing as I mentioned may have been an excessive delay, that said, bits and pieces I've heard I don't think it was the case.

scrounge Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:31am

Unless the tying team came out onto the court, dropped their shorts, and proceeded to moon the opposing bench, no way the thought of a T would even enter my mind.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:08pm

Which game?

fortmoney Wed Feb 13, 2013 01:42pm

This is just like if a girl takes an extra step down 36 at the end of a JV game. Are you going to get that?

bainsey Wed Feb 13, 2013 01:46pm

If you're looking for a rule reference, you MIGHT make a case with NFHS 10-2-4, but I wouldn't touch it.

Okay, a step further: FANS storm the court on a game-tying three, to force OT. T?

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 879122)
If you're looking for a rule reference, you MIGHT make a case with NFHS 10-2-4, but I wouldn't touch it.

Okay, a step further: FANS storm the court on a game-tying three, to force OT. T?

Doubtful if I could get them off in a reasonable amount of time.

Besides, I'd have to have a few minutes for the coin toss and....wait, wrong sport. Maybe not next year. :D

just another ref Wed Feb 13, 2013 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by fortmoney (Post 879119)
This is just like if a girl takes an extra step down 36 at the end of a JV game. Are you going to get that?

I don't this this is just like that.

CoachP Wed Feb 13, 2013 01:57pm

Varsity girls last night, we were down by 6. Went on an 9-0 run in the middle of the 4th quarter to take the lead on a three. Opposing team calls a time out and our bench empties to high 5 the shooter that hit the three.

Stuff like that happens every Tuesday and Friday nights....

fullor30 Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 879004)
How did they handle it?

They issued a T, shot two to begin OT.

There has to be more to this doesn't there????

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:28pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 879150)
They issued a T, shot two to begin OT.

There has to be more to this doesn't there????

Either there's more to it OR it's just another 3 guys who don't belong working varsity basketball.

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 878989)
Irrelevant. Such a thing should never be called by a competent official.

While I agree with this ... it is completely possible that the celebration continues to such a point that a T is called for. But I can only see calling this if it ventures into taunting the opponent (meaning a specific action someone is doing to taunt an opponent), someone says something T-worthy to an official ("See, look at that - even your lousy calls couldn't steal the game from us!") or if it goes on for so long that it interferes with getting the overtime going.

So in the OP, I've got nothing, and most good officials have nothing. And 30 second later we STILL got nothing. But if SOMETHING happens and you have to call a T between the 4th period and the beginning of OT, you would administer them to start the OT.

Brad Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 878980)
A1 hits a trey at buzzer to send game into OT. A team rushes onto court to celebrate with shooter( did not see it) I believe a T and OT starts with free throws.

Correct? If so rule reference which I can't find.

Unless there is a delay to the other team or something unsporting then there is no technical. So, if the clock is 0:00 and all they do is celebrate, then you have nothing.

This happened in a SWAC game last year or the year before — and the officials incorrectly assessed a technical foul.


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