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yooperbballref Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:40pm

Mich vs Mich st
 
Can someone post the PC called on Michigan early in the 2nd half? It was in the backcourt.

APG Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:52pm

You're going to have to get more specific then that.

AremRed Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:03pm

18:23, second half. Appling draws PC foul on Burke.

JetMetFan Wed Feb 13, 2013 02:27pm

Here's the play...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 878915)
18:23, second half. Appling draws PC foul on Burke.

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Camron Rust Wed Feb 13, 2013 02:57pm

Block on the initial shot. Undercutting a shooter like that is a great way to hurt someone.

PC after the inbounds.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 879145)
Block on the initial shot. Undercutting a shooter like that is a great way to hurt someone.

PC after the inbounds.

Agreed.

On an interesting note, the T uses the actual PC signal.

rekent Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 879149)
On an interesting note, the T uses the actual PC signal.

Just kind of swings the left arm out to point... I would much rather do (or see) a good punch here, just my opinion I guess.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rekent (Post 879151)
Just kind of swings the left arm out to point... I would much rather do (or see) a good punch here, just my opinion I guess.

He's trying to point the direction, which is behind him.

the comment was (I think) meant to indicate that the official used the "behind the head" mechanic that was demeaned (by many, but not all)here a week or so (?) ago.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 879155)

the comment was (I think) meant to indicate that the official used the "behind the head" mechanic that was demeaned (by many, but not all)here a week or so (?) ago.

That is correct.

Scooby Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:31pm

Is it still the by the book mechanic to use the hand behind the head on PC fouls in NF?

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:31pm

Yes.

Raymond Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 879158)
Is it still the by the book mechanic to use the hand behind the head on PC fouls in NF?

And it's still used more on the NCAA-Men's side than the punch is.

JetMetFan Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 879161)
And it's still used more on the NCAA-Men's side than the punch is.

That's because behind the head is still the official rule book PC signal for NCAAM. The punch is the rule book signal for NCAAW.

APG Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:50pm

Clear undercut by the defender on the shot.

Second part is a charge at all levels except the NBA.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 879164)

Second part is a charge at all levels except the NBA.

Well since you said it, what is the NBA rule?

APG Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 879165)
Well since you said it, what is the NBA rule?


A defender must allow an opponent who receives a pass outside the lower defensive box the opportunity to stop and/or change direction.

brainbrian Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 879155)
He's trying to point the direction, which is behind him.

Mechanic-wise I usually feel awkward calling player control fouls in the backcourt for this reason, should I punch forward, or turn around and punch the other way :D
I like how he did it though.

OKREF Wed Feb 13, 2013 06:19pm

Player Control. I can see the no call on the shot.

Raymond Wed Feb 13, 2013 08:29pm

You gotta protect airborne shooters, especially on this play where the undercut came from behind.o

Easy PC foul. Nothing wrong with the mechanic.

APG Wed Feb 13, 2013 08:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 879198)
Player Control. I can see the no call on the shot.

Care to expound on that (being able to see a no call on the shot)? That's a clear undercut IMO...you have to have a whistle on that.

JRutledge Wed Feb 13, 2013 08:44pm

It looks like a foul on the shot, but a lot of acting too. Players tend to throw themselves out as if they were killed. But I have no problem with the PC foul at all.

Peace

chapmaja Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 879198)
Player Control. I can see the no call on the shot.

I'm a Michigan fan, so I am biased on UM-MSU comments, but.

Burke got away with one on the shot. That was a very clear undercut that should have been called. The officials missed that one. The charge was a very clear call as well. I actually slowed the video down and Appling was set while Burke took two steps into him. I would say that would be a charge at every level, including the NBA. Burke had time to stop. You can't penalize a defender because the offensive player wasn't looking when you give him to steps before the contact.

APG Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 879594)
I'm a Michigan fan, so I am biased on UM-MSU comments, but.

Burke got away with one on the shot. That was a very clear undercut that should have been called. The officials missed that one. The charge was a very clear call as well. I actually slowed the video down and Appling was set while Burke took two steps into him. I would say that would be a charge at every level, including the NBA. Burke had time to stop. You can't penalize a defender because the offensive player wasn't looking when you give him to steps before the contact.

The NBA considers this type of play a cheap tactic and as such is not a legal position. A bang bang play like this in the NBA is a blocking foul.


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