Toss to start the game

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Check out the toss and the commentary.

JugglingReferee

Welpe

A wee bit high. Fast 10 count too. I would love to be in that unit though with their focus on official development.

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Welpe wrote
A wee bit high. Fast 10 count too. I would love to be in that unit though with their focus on official development.

I thought so too, so I tested it out. According to the counts of the official that you can see in the video (he is not visible the first two seconds), there are 7. I turned off the sound and counted myself, at my speed. I had 8. I used a stopwatch, and got 10 seconds when the official blew his whistle.

deecee

his count was pretty on point I would have been about a half second sooner than him but other than that his count was close to perfect. Also that toss was rough, that's not a good way to toss IMO.

stiffler3492

What about the travel at about 1:10?

Rich

Say what you want -- it was between 11 and 12 seconds from the time white got possession in the backcourt until the violation was called. I used the YouTube clock, though, no stopwatch.

Rich

deecee wrote
his count was pretty on point I would have been about a half second sooner than him but other than that his count was close to perfect. Also that toss was rough, that's not a good way to toss IMO.

His toss was perfect if the players were 10 feet tall.

APG

Rich wrote
His toss was perfect if the players were 10 feet tall.

I'm more impressed that, with him tossing it that high, that the ball went straight up and straight down.

Scuba_ref

Flo was in the house!

bob jenkins

Since 90% of the tosses are not high enough, I'd rather see this type.

Welpe

seanwestref wrote
I thought so too, so I tested it out.

I did too. Maybe my count is just slow. 😉

jTheUmp

Travel at 1:10? Doesn't look like it to me. Pivot foot is the right foot, which never comes off the floor.

Rich

bob jenkins wrote
Since 90% of the tosses are not high enough, I'd rather see this type.

I like how the people taping couldn't stop laughing after the toss.

Rich

With the NCAA telling its officials to use a stop-clock mechanic on OOB calls, there's no reason a JV HS official doesn't do that automatically.

I have no idea who this association gives the OOB call to above the FT line in the frontcourt. I'm still a fan of the L taking the line all the way down and working out there when the ball is near the line. The L didn't move -- I have no idea if he's expected to there.

6:49, L signals a 3 attempt, doesn't signal the make.

Not a whole lot to look at in this 8:30 of basketball, really.

Tio

The toss was too high...

The only other comment I would have is that starting so low will be problematic for bigger players. They will have an easier opportunity to steal the toss.

stripes2255

Rich wrote
With the NCAA telling its officials to use a stop-clock mechanic on OOB calls, there's no reason a JV HS official doesn't do that automatically.

I have no idea who this association gives the OOB call to above the FT line in the frontcourt. I'm still a fan of the L taking the line all the way down and working out there when the ball is near the line. The L didn't move -- I have no idea if he's expected to there..

Concerning the stop-clock mechanic, this year Oregon adopted the optional directional point without the open hand in the air first. Ironically, the same year NCAA emphasizes their officials to use more of the stop clock mechanic?!(Side note, I don't believe this game is played in Oregon)

OOB call-every year our association swaps officials with a neighboring association during preseason tournaments one weekend to strengthen numbers, work with other officials, teams, etc. The neighboring assoc. calls OOB lines in front court, T's primary much like you see on this video. I have considered the pro's and con's to this but am interested in what others think?

Welpe

The other thing I failed to mention, I was guilty of doing this same thing my first year or two. Nice, straight tosses but way too high. Only once or twice did my partner blow it back and there was one I had to blow back myself.

I've gotten quite a bit better at tossing since then but it's still not my favorite.

Adam

Welpe wrote
The other thing I failed to mention, I was guilty of doing this same thing my first year or two. Nice, straight tosses but way too high. Only once or twice did my partner blow it back and there was one I had to blow back myself.

I've gotten quite a bit better at tossing since then but it's still not my favorite.

Why would you blow a toss back for being too high?

JetMetFan

Is there some rule that when the guy who threw the toss is in the L he absolutely cannot move from his spot alnog the endline? It looks like he's set in cement.

I'm also trying to figure out why there was a shot-clock reset at the 3:54 mark.

All this for these guys and a shot clock, too. I can only imagine the fun that causes during a JV game.

My hope is some nice, veteran official shows them this clip and goes over the myriad of areas where they need improvement.

Adam wrote
Why would you blow a toss back for being too high?

Probably because 3.2.1B-4 in the Officials' Manual says the R should "toss the ball slightly higher than either person can jump." Neither of those kids looks like a kangaroo so I'd be inclined to call that toss back 🙂