Full court shot one hop
 

Two questions.

1. This should be a two pointer?
2. If clock expires while ball is in the air, it is dead when the ball hits the floor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=VQGEOaA3JIs

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1. Yes
2. Nope...

1. This try should be scored two points. Here is my reasoning, along with NFHS references.

4-41-4 "The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead."

These two highlighted parts seem contradictory. Let us put this on hold for a second.

5-2-1 "A successful try, tap or throw ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points. A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown."

This seems to suggest that if the ball bounces on the floor inside the three-point arc and goes in, two points are scored.

I am not sure about past rule interpretations (where I am sure this exact play is fully covered) but here is the rule interpretation for 2012-2013.

4-41-4B "A1's three-point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. RULING: The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since the live ball went through the basket, two points are scored in both (a) and (b).

I know this situation involves hitting a player and not the ball hitting the floor however rule 5-2-1 above treats the ball hitting a player or bouncing off the floor (inside the arc) the same. This leads me to believe that the basket should be scored two points.

Coming back to rule 4-41-4, I would argue that although the thrown ball has touched the floor (which simply ends the three-point try), it is not yet certain that the throw (as a whole) is unsuccessful.

2. The ball is dead when the try ends. According to the reasoning above, the try has not yet ended because it is not yet certain that the throw (as a whole) is unsuccessful.

two points

does not count if horn sounds while ball is in the air. shot ended when it touched the ground.

1. This should be a two pointer? I changed my mind. It is a 2 using 5-2-1.

2. If clock expires while ball is in the air, it is dead when the ball hits the floor? The answer to this question is yes, and no. The ball remains live until the try ends which is described below.

*5.1.1 SITUATION B:

A pass, a tap or a try for field goal by A1 is in flight when the horn sounds indicating the expiration of time in the third quarter. The ball subsequently comes down several feet in front of the basket, strikes the floor without touching any player and bounces into the basket.

RULING: When deemed a pass and not a try, the ball becomes dead immediately when the horn sounds. However, a try or tap by A1 towards A's basket does not become dead until the try or tap ends, which it does when it touches the floor. Therefore, no points are scored. (4-41-2, 4-41-4, 4-41-5)
So if the horn sounds anytime after the ball bounces it is dead immediately and can not be scored.

Funny how Stuart Scott just confidently said "And yes it was a good three pointer".

You might want to read that ruling better. If the attempt is ruled a shot, and the horn sounds before the ball strikes the ground, the shot ends when the ball hits the ground and no points can be scored.

And, if the horn sounds after the bounce but before the ball enters the basket (hmm -- or is it passes through the basket?), the ball is dead at that time and no points are scored.

Stuart Scott was correct, in how it played out. The officials on the game scored it as three points.

They have since repented.

Their confession was not heard...the Pope resigned

The confession came first.

The two events might be related, then.

Something is VERY wrong with that phrase. Almost like "Skip Bayless is a sharp guy."

+1000

You know what they say about leading a stopped clock to a train.

5.1.1 Situation A:

A pass, tap or a try for field goal by A1 comes down several feet in front of the basket in the middle of the third quarter. The ball strikes the floor without touching any player and bounces into the basket.

Ruling: Two points are scored. The tap or the try for field goal by A1 ends when the ball touches the floor but a field goal is sometimes scored when it is not the result of a tap or a try.

Where to start?
 

Been there, discussed that.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...t-one-hop.html

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-3-points.html

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-3pts-2-a.html

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...its-floor.html

Don't people read or use the search feature anymore?

Peace

Can't hear the horn go off, but you hear the crowd counting down 3... 2... 1... In the comments it says something about the clock operator stopping the clock after the shot, but if the crowd is correct in their count, the buzzer should have sounded long before that.

Problem #1 — Definitely not a 3-pointer. Can't be. The try ends when the ball hits the floor. A 3-point basket has to be the result of a try.

Problem #2 (Potentially) — After the ball hitting the floor, if the buzzer sounded it would end the quarter right there, so nothing could be scored once the ball hits the floor. The ball would have to go through the basket before the horn sounded in order to be counted — and then could only be counted as a 2-point basket.

These are the types of plays that completely burn the I-know-it-when-I-see-it officials that don't know the rules well. This play comes up and they are not sure what to do, so they basically go with their gut or whatever they think is "common sense" and oftentimes are completely wrong.

Anything else?

Not everyone is a 20K-count poster you know :)

It is basic discussion board ediqute to read other threads so that you do not constantly repeat questions. This is about the 5th question on this video. They are not hard to find. ;)

Peace

Interesting Scenario ...
 

... so the ball can't be goaltended, even if on the way down, with a chance to go in, above the level of the ring, however, the ball, or the basket, can be interfered with, and the basket would count if interfered with by the defense.