3 man pay vs 2 man pay
 

Im curious to hear what other places do for a 3 man crew in other areas. Where I live the pay scale for the most part is all 2 man and if a crew brings 3 refs then the pay is broken up 3 ways with no added money. (no assignors up here, we schedule our own games)

This is starting to cause some tension between refs and local AD's that won't pay a 3 man crew. I know of some people that will not ref at certain schools for that reason, but as said above there are not many schools that pay a full 3 man crew. (about 3 or 4 in a 100 mile radius)

What do schools do in your areas for 3 man crews?

Pretty much all the schools in the Omaha and Lincoln areas use 3-man crews. Pay per official is anywhere from $65-80 depending on the school. Most pay $70.

Pay ranges from $60 to $75. $70 is most common. The State Association pays 55 +mileage for post season.

Maybe ill move to Nebraska.... Up here for varsity 2 man crew its 50 each, so a 3 man it ends up being 34 a person. (they are nice enough to throw an extra 2 dollars in there)

Not much of an issue. Very few if any use 2 man. But I worked a 2 man game this year and I got paid $65 for that game. I can get that for a 3 man game and often get that amount based on the conference (pay is usually based on the conference not the the school).

Peace

Pay is the same here whether you're working with two or three. Our association assigns most games. Officials can take tournament games on their own if the schools want to assign those themselves outside of the association, but the pay is still the same.

Around here, Varsity level uses 3 man - sub-varsity levels use 2 man. So by that, V games pay around $65, sub-varsity $55.

A lot of officials have been commenting lately that they would rather work 2 games, JV/V double headers with a 3 man crew and make $120 for the night. Right now, if you work a doubleheader with a 2 man crew (sub-varsity) and a 3 man crew (varsity), the pay is discounted for the second game, something like $90 for both. Normally, the varsity crew only works the varsity game.

Right now a school pays:

2 Man JV Crew - $110
3 Man V Crew - $195
Total - $305

If they went to one 3 man crew for both:
$360

To me, even though its $55 more for the school - I think it would help get more officials varsity experience, especially working 3 man crew and help clean up JV games which is where I see the most of the altercations happen.

It's the same here either way. $55 per official for varsity plus mileage for two officials and a $10 rider fee for a third. Private schools pay a flat fee that's higher ($70 I believe).

I hate to disagree with a fellow Packer owner, but I see it the other way around. By people doing refs JV and V games then that means there is less of an opportunity for a young ref who is not yet ready for V action to get games.

In the Buckeye State things vary some, but in Central Ohio Varsity is always three-person that pays anywhere from $57 to $63. There are two conferences that participate in a "mentoring" program within which the FR/JV doubleheaders are scheduled with three-person crews -- usually the crews work in front of the same varsity crews. The pay for the FR/JV games for three-person varies slightly from $77 to $87 for the DH. The other leagues all use two-person for FR/JV. I believe that their pay ranges from about $80 to $90 for the DH.

The "mentoring" program provides aspiring new referees the opportunity to learn three-person mechanics for one to three or four years at the FR/JV level before moving up to Varsity.

Shame we can't adopt that here.

I guess it depends where you are working. Some places are in dire need of officials and ones that can work varsity games. Others have a plethora. However, you could look at it a different way too.

Some guys are working 5 - 6 nights week making $65/game, for a total of $325 - $390 per week. You essentially could do the same thing working 3 - 4 nights a week for $330 - $440. That would open up a couple of more nights for other guys, plus one might also say this keeps officials fresher since they are not working every night.

I am not arguing one way or the other - I think they are lots of valid reasons to have different crews, work more nights, schools wanting a varsity only crew, etc. I am just looking at it from the economics.

I personally, would rather work 2 nights a week and work a JV/V doubleheader than work 4 nights and miss all of the chatter on here :)

Rates set by the state in Alabama:

Varsity 3-man: $40.00/game per official
JV 3-man: $35.00/game per official
JV 2-man: $40.00/game per official
9th grade & under 3-man: $30.00/game per official
9th grade & under 2-man: $35.00/game per official

In 99% of cases, officials will have at least 2 games per assignment. Oftentimes a 3-man crew will call 3 games (JV, VG, VB). In that case, that's $115.00 per night per official, plus mileage.

In our area (not sure about other parts of the state), we go 3-man for every varsity game and 2-man for every junior high game. I've seen JV done both ways.

Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot ...
 

What is this three man crew that you speak of?

That is what many are saying about the group you belong to. ;)

Peace

NY & NJ...the other lands time forgot....
 

Same here. We don't see 3-person at the H.S. level until the playoffs.

I think Montana has to be one of the lower paying states. We get $36 for JV (all 2 person) and $51 for V (all 3 person). One good thing here is that in my area we have a majority of Class C schools (AA, A, B and C are our classes) and they play both boys and girls in one night so we get $102 for the night plus travel if you are the driver. No complaints though.

Western Md and West Virginia, we do 3 man Varsity $65 each, travel for 3 schools that are 60 miles away. $15 for 1 official. No travel for the other 9 schools.

We rarely ever double up.

JV is $45 to $50 per official. 2 man.

Middle schools $30 per official, per game, usually 3 games assigned.

It should be up to each official to decide how much he/she wants to work. It's why I despise the central assignor method. Under that system 17 years ago I would get 2-3 days a week and couldn't schedule anything else, even if I wanted to. Now, it's completely up to me and how far I'm willing to drive.

That said, I'm cutting back next season to 3 or so days a week by cutting out girls games. Another choice I never could've made elsewhere where you worked everything or nothing.

we're pretty fortunate here in that most of the suburban schools use 3 man for sub-varsity, even freshmen (girls and boys), so there are PLENTY of opportunities to learn 3-man, even for first year officials. The public schools in the city and some smaller Christian schools use 2 man, as do the middle schools, but 3 man is prob more common. Pay doesn't change, it's the same per official regardless of crew size.

Everything for the most part is done here in two person with the exception of certain tournament finals:

Two Person-Regular Season
$72.00 per person

Two Person-Playoff (All rounds up to quarter-finals)
$81.00 per person

Three Person-Regular Season
$68.00 per person

Three Person-Playoffs (quarter-finals and onward)
$77.00

Section Championship-3 Person
$85.00

mileage is compensated for according to this scale
51 - 75 miles = $12.00
76 - 125 miles = $18.00
126 - 175 miles = $30.00
176 - 250 miles = $42.00
251 - 350 miles = $54.00
351 - 450 miles = $72.00

St.Louis Metro area

Three Person $66.50
Two Person $76.50

There are very few two person varsity games in the St. Louis area. Some of the out state schools do two person and the pay varies by the school.

All lower level is two person.

Any mileage and do you work only the Varsity game?

None of the schools in the metro area pay mileage. Most trips are probably of the 20 to 40 minute drive variety. Sometimes traffic can make it longer but it is very rare to spend more than 40 minutes in your car to work a game in metro St. Louis.

If you get outside of the metro there are some schools that will pay mileage.

The fees are for single varsity games. Doubleheaders are rare. If you work a three person JV/Varsity the fee is $107.

Fly Me ...
 

Is the $72.00 supposed to cover an airline ticket?

It is required that three-man crews must use the Alternating Possession rule. :p

MTD, Sr.