The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Injured player @ one end while play goes on at the other (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/93840-injured-player-one-end-while-play-goes-other.html)

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:08pm

Injured player @ one end while play goes on at the other
 
Hey all,
Yesterday in my jv girls game I had a player down at one end with a fast-break occurring at the other end.defense secures the rebound and then play is blown dead.correct me if I am wrong but if play remains at the same end as the injured player it is blown dead immediately and if it goes to the other end it is blown dead once play resumes in the direction of the injured player?
Thanks,
Derryl

BktBallRef Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:10pm

Incorrect.

If the player's team has control when the player goes down, kill the play immediately.

If there's a fast break going to other way, hold the whistle until the opponent pulls up and is no longer advancing the ball or takes a shot. Then, kill the play.

It's a good idea for the trail official to stop and stay with the player who is down. This tells everyone, "I see her, I'm not going to let anything happen to her."

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:18pm

Thanks this happened about 4 or 5 times in the game.unusually high level of physicality for JVG.trail did do exactly what you suggested.

BktBallRef Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:22pm

See 5-8-2 Note for the rule reference.

And wow! That is an unusually high number of injury situations.

JRutledge Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 876550)
See 5-8-2 Note for the rule reference.

And wow! That is an unusually high number of injury situations.

In a girl's game? That sounds pretty regular to me.

Peace

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 01:40pm

Yeah-a total of 14 fouls were called for this game.one of my players ended up spraining a finger,and another couple went to the deck multiple times and had to get ice but were otherwise fine.the physicality had both coaches frustrated but especially the home coach who left her box several times and stayed out for multiple possessions.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 02:04pm

Rut-
I've never seen a girls game where the coach had to step out onto the floor to check on her players this many times.

JRutledge Sat Feb 02, 2013 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876565)
Rut-
I've never seen a girls game where the coach had to step out onto the floor to check on her players this many times.

The first few years I worked varsity girls games, it was common to have girls fall to the floor and we would have to stop the game several times to have an "injury" looked at. Then the a girl would get helped off as if they had sprained or torn something. Then the very next dead ball, they are at the table to come in the game. Maybe that has changed, but it was a running joke with me and my partner about how many times we would have a girl acting like she was killed only to play the very next opportunity. One of the reasons I stopped wanting to even work any level of girl's basketball.

Peace

Rich Sat Feb 02, 2013 02:24pm

Sounds like a real joy to work.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 02:38pm

or coach-I sat on the bench and did stats and it took everything I had to control the girls and not say anything to the officials myself.Rut-I didn't realize you had that experience with the girls game.

BktBallRef Sat Feb 02, 2013 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876565)
I've never seen a girls game where the coach had to step out onto the floor to check on her players this many times.

Nor have I. Only 14 fouls???

Mark Padgett Sat Feb 02, 2013 03:37pm

Five years ago, I was training a HS kid to ref in our local kids rec league. We were working a 5B game. One of the players was running down court when he tripped and fell forward head first, banging his head on the court. It was an elementary school gym with one of those really hard composition floors. I immediately blew my whistle and ran over to him. His coach, who was also his dad, ran out on the court to take care of him.

The kid I was training came over to me and asked if we should give the coach a T because he came on the floor without one of us calling him out. I didn't know whether to give the kid a smack or give him a gold star for knowing the rule.

BTW - the league has a rule that we stop play immediately if we think a kid is injured regardless of the game situation. This is a rec league and the safety of the kids comes first.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 03:39pm

I just looked at my scorebook.1 foul called between both teams in the first half (on them),13 between the two in the second half.most of the 13 were called in the fourth quarter as I think the officials attempted to regain control of the game.they're control over the home coach was awful too

grunewar Sat Feb 02, 2013 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876576)
I just looked at my scorebook.1 foul called between both teams in the first half (on them),13 between the two in the second half.most of the 13 were called in the fourth quarter as I think the officials attempted to regain control of the game.they're control over the home coach was awful too

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876548)
Thanks this happened about 4 or 5 times in the game.unusually high level of physicality for JVG.trail did do exactly what you suggested.

This seems pretty contradictory. (I had a VG game earlier this season that was "physical," and me and my P's called 29 fouls in the first half.....)

I also agree that this is a high number of players staying down. Definitely not the norm here.

Rich Sat Feb 02, 2013 06:24pm

What drives me crazy are people that think we should do something more to protect the girls than we'd do in a boys game.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:22pm

Rich-I'm not one of those people but I believe that player safety is paramount.
grunewar -I didn't make this up.If you saw tape of this game you would've been shocked at what was let go.

Raymond Sun Feb 03, 2013 09:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876560)
.....the physicality had both coaches frustrated but especially the home coach who left her box several times and stayed out for multiple possessions.

To yell at her own players for playing too physical?

SCalScoreKeeper Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:19pm

If she was out of the box yelling at her kids to stop fouling it didn't work.We were just trying to take care of our team so I didn't hear what she was saying.speaking of the box-in a set up where the benches are on bleachers with the table does the box start at the 10 foot line of the volleyball court or some other mark that the R determines during the meeting? I know in our gym where we lay out the tables and chairs usually the officials just count 7 chairs down and that becomes the box.

bob jenkins Sun Feb 03, 2013 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 876665)
If she was out of the box yelling at her kids to stop fouling it didn't work.We were just trying to take care of our team so I didn't hear what she was saying.speaking of the box-in a set up where the benches are on bleachers with the table does the box start at the 10 foot line of the volleyball court or some other mark that the R determines during the meeting? I know in our gym where we lay out the tables and chairs usually the officials just count 7 chairs down and that becomes the box.

By rule it's 14' - 28' from the endline (if you're using the 14' box).

In some states, if it's not marked, then there's no box (or no box for the home team). In others, they just guess-timate, like you do.

TimTaylor Sun Feb 03, 2013 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 876685)
By rule it's 14' - 28' from the endline (if you're using the 14' box).

In some states, if it's not marked, then there's no box (or no box for the home team). In others, they just guess-timate, like you do.

We're not allowed to start the game unless/until the coaching box is marked.

BillyMac Sun Feb 03, 2013 05:20pm

Coaching Box ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 876692)
We're not allowed to start the game unless/until the coaching box is marked.

From our state interscholastic sports governing association:

Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Commissioner the next day.

Pantherdreams Sun Feb 03, 2013 05:32pm

What to do with a glass kid?
 
Along the same lines. What do you do with a player (VG) who plays hard but 2-3 times a game is down and in tears from a collision, or rolled ankle, or wind knocked out of them etc. Seems every girls game I do lately there is at least one kid who plays at the edge of control and ends up "injured" 2-3 times per game.

Rich Sun Feb 03, 2013 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 876697)
Along the same lines. What do you do with a player (VG) who plays hard but 2-3 times a game is down and in tears from a collision, or rolled ankle, or wind knocked out of them etc. Seems every girls game I do lately there is at least one kid who plays at the edge of control and ends up "injured" 2-3 times per game.

Don't work girls games. :D

just another ref Sun Feb 03, 2013 05:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 876697)
Along the same lines. What do you do with a player (VG) who plays hard but 2-3 times a game is down and in tears from a collision, or rolled ankle, or wind knocked out of them.....


or a fit of temper because something didn't go well.

Play around them.

Adam Sun Feb 03, 2013 06:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 876697)
Along the same lines. What do you do with a player (VG) who plays hard but 2-3 times a game is down and in tears from a collision, or rolled ankle, or wind knocked out of them etc. Seems every girls game I do lately there is at least one kid who plays at the edge of control and ends up "injured" 2-3 times per game.

Every game? Wow.

grunewar Sun Feb 03, 2013 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 876701)
Every game? Wow.

Agree. Happens every now and again here.

egj13 Mon Feb 04, 2013 03:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 876557)
in a girl's game? That sounds pretty regular to me.

Peace

+100

APG Mon Feb 04, 2013 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 876697)
Along the same lines. What do you do with a player (VG) who plays hard but 2-3 times a game is down and in tears from a collision, or rolled ankle, or wind knocked out of them etc. Seems every girls game I do lately there is at least one kid who plays at the edge of control and ends up "injured" 2-3 times per game.

What is there to do? :confused:

Stop play when inappropriate, beckon the coach, and wait until you can resume play.

shavano Mon Feb 04, 2013 04:25pm

Shot counts....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 876859)
+100

"And One" :D


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:28am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1