T on parents?
AAU 8th grade competitive basketball. If parents are screaming at the refs throughout the game, can or would you call a "T"? In other words, what are your boundaries with regards to unruly parents? Seems to me, an official could find out what team they represent and call a T on that team. Second time, the head coach is out of the game.
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I do not know about resorting to a technical foul, a more experienced member will have to answer that. |
NFHS rules: A T can be called on team supporters but "care should be used not to unduly penalize the players for the actions of idiots." (paraphrased)
If screaming is all it is, my advice is get used to it. It's the rule, not the exception. If the behavior is over the top, let game management handle it. If you do resort to T'ing the crowd, I would think it would only tend to make matters worse. And the T is a team T, not to the coach. If necessary, point out the offenders, let game management take care of it. |
I have heard of a couple of occasions where it was necessary to remove a parent/fan from the stands. As others have indicated, this is not our responsibility as an official, but rather that of game management. The way we have told our officials to handle it is to go over to the scorer's table and ask for the administrator. Once they arrive, let them know who the fan/parent is that needs to be removed, and sometimes you have to let them know that the game will not continue until that happens.
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Unless those parents are sitting in a team's bench area, they're game management's headache to deal with. If they're getting over the top you can always ask game management to do something about them but as was said, they're yelling, get used to it.
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The T will incite the crowd further. As others have said, your're best bet is to get site management involved.
In one AAU game I officiated last year the unruly parent was one of the moms. After about a half of listening to her another parent who was an off duty police officer went over to her and showed his badge and told her she was close to being arrested for threatening a sports official. It was a beautiful thing. |
The policy that I have advocated for 42 years is this:
As long as a spectator does not: make a threat of violence against the officials or the competitors (players and bench personnel), does not come onto the court, or commits and act of violence against the officials or the competitors (players and bench personnel), the IGNORE them. If any of the three things that I have described occurs, then get Game Management involved IMMEDIATELY. Let the spectators yell until they are blue in the face, I do not care. MTD, Sr. |
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10 years ago, we had a huge problem with fans at AAU girls' tournaments here in NC. Then, the state AAU directors created a policy that said if a parent's behavior became so bad that they were ejected from the facility, their daughter would ALSO be ejected. Unbelievable how quickly fan behavior improved at AAU tournaments. |
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In my experience, the officials "who ALWAYS have to be right", are the officials who get bothered by the comments directed at them. You can control the players, coaches, and bench personnel....you CAN'T control the parents/fans - SO DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THEM!
The only people who care what they say (whether they're right or wrong), are they officials who HAVE to be right everytime. Stop worrying about them - and you're game will be much better. |
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spectators’ actions are such that they interfere with the administration of the game? RULING: The rules book states “the official may rule fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game.” It is significant to note the word used is “may.” This gives permission, but does not in any way imply that officials must call technical fouls on team followers or supporters for unsporting acts. Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this authority must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the authority is there, the official must rarely use it, because experience has demonstrated that calling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem and may, in fact, result in penalizing the wrong team because the official may not have proper knowledge as to which team's supporters were responsible for the unsporting act. COMMENT: Responsibility for the behavior of spectators is that of home or game management. The rules book stipulates that insofar as the management can reasonably be expected to control the spectators, it is its responsibility to do so. Home management has the responsibility of providing a site where the game can proceed in a sporting manner. If the conduct of spectators prohibits the orderly continuance of a game, the officials should have a representative of game management take whatever action is necessary. This may require the removal of a team follower(s). This can be done without charging the supporters' team with a technical foul. The advised procedure is for the official to notify game management as to which follower(s) must be removed from the site. The officials may stop the game until host management resolves the situation. Another problem arises when team supporters throw debris, paper, coins, ice or other items on the floor. If the official has positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw the items, the official should instruct game management to have the supporter(s) removed from the site. As in the previous case, this can be done without charging the supporters' team with a technical foul. If the official does not have positive knowledge, the official should instruct game management to make a public address announcement stating that the next time debris is thrown on the floor, it will result in a technical foul charged to that supporters' team and will also result in the supporter(s) being removed from the facility. If after the announcement, the situation is not brought under control, the officials may also stop the game until host management resolves the situation. In most situations, after an announcement has been made, game management is very aware of the problem and will usually have positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw the items on the floor. If the disruption is not brought under control and the contest cannot safely continue, rather than assess several technical fouls, officials are advised to suspend the game. |
Billy...wall of text...and formatting....
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Billy, I'll bet you could have made the same point in less than twelve words.
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You get half credit Billy
To stay on topic, going to a T against team followers should almost never come up in almost all situations. Get game management involved if you must, but I'll say, simple yelling at the officials, isn't cause for action (unless it's over the top...and even then, get game management to deal with it). |
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Tough economy or just a chemist at heart?!
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Keeping it shorter makes it more valuable in this case, imo. I'm curious, what was your source? |
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I had a partner once who called a technical foul on the crowd. Ball ended up in the stands where the home team students sat. Kid took the ball and hurled it into the back of a visiting team player.
Partner completely lost it and Ted up the stands and went to the scorer's table and had an announcement made and then got a police officer to go over in front of the stands and try to find out who threw the ball so that person could be removed. All while I stood there thinking, "Really?" (And yes, those of you who know me, it's THAT GUY.) |
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Going back to the OP:
High School Season and AAU/Summer ball are different animals, IMO. I would never give the crowd a T. But tossing fans in the right situation should be no big deal, IF it is warranted. In an AAU game, especially with a small aux. gym and people screaming when things are dead quiet and there is NO game management anywhere, we become defacto judge, jury, and executioner. Recently I had a guy going bonkers on me during a quiet moment(he'd been at it for a while). I summoned my best tough guy voice and stare and told him "Sir, this game will be going on with or without you". I thought he was going to faint. Later he came up and made small talk to make things better.(???) Can't make this stuff some sometimes. My kids aren't old enough to play, but sometimes it seems like emotional parents lose control of themselves and need a reminder. |
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