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JugglingReferee Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:55am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 872916)
Wasn't it the FIBA Rule that created the controversy between Russia and the USA in 1972? Not sure I would be gloating about that considering all the confusion that called. And I am not an American that thinks we got hosed either. I just saw a documentary that went through the rule and how the rule was apparently screwed up by the table. I will take the occasional coach getting upset about this than what happened with all the confusion I saw in the Olympics.

Peace
I don't think a rule screw up would permit that type of screw up.

Raymond Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Lotto (Post 872875)
Last night I was working HS girl's varsity, two-man crew. With about 10 seconds left in the game, the home team scores to pull within two point. After a timeout, I'm the new lead. The home team is pressing, and I'm standing near midcourt tableside. My partner is near the far sideline and off the endline as the new trail. The home team steals the throw-in and passes to a girl near midcourt and the far sideline -- in my primary now as the new trail, so my focus is on her and I'm moving out onto the court to referee the ball. She then makes a bad pass that sails out of bounds. All of this happens within a couple of seconds. At that point, the home team coach tells me that she's been trying to call a timeout. This was a big game, the crowd was loud, the gym is one that has a high ceiling and is echo-y, and the coach does not have a loud voice. I simply didn't hear her.

My question -- is there something that I/we could have done to catch that timeout? I don't think I can be peeking behind me to see if she's requesting a timeout since I have to keep my eyes on the girls on the court in a tight, pressing situation. Is this something my partner should have picked up? Or is this just yet another reason why three-man crews are vastly superior to two? How could we have handled this better, mechanics-wise or other-wise?

Thanks for the advice!
You have players to officiate. Coach should have told her players to call a time-out if they steal the ball. Or have the school district pay for a 3rd official :D

JRutledge Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:32am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 872918)
I don't think a rule screw up would permit that type of screw up.
My point is that any rule has its problems. And that rule obviously created a problem in the application. I used to love the fact coaches could request a timeout, but their reaction is the reason we should take that away during live ball situations.

Peace

Pantherdreams Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 872940)
My point is that any rule has its problems. And that rule obviously created a problem in the application. I used to love the fact coaches could request a timeout, but their reaction is the reason we should take that away during live ball situations.

Peace
Luckily the rule in question in the 72 incident is no longer the rule and the timeout can only be granted before the first or after the last. So there would not be a reason to interrupt the game and cause the confusion. Also there would now be no running clock in the last 2 minutes so the need to inbound a live bal in a late game would not cause problems.

Stat-Man Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by Lotto (Post 872875)
Last night I was working HS girl's varsity, two-man crew. With about 10 seconds left in the game, the home team scores to pull within two point. After a timeout, I'm the new lead. The home team is pressing, and I'm standing near midcourt tableside. My partner is near the far sideline and off the endline as the new trail. The home team steals the throw-in and passes to a girl near midcourt and the far sideline -- in my primary now as the new trail, so my focus is on her and I'm moving out onto the court to referee the ball. She then makes a bad pass that sails out of bounds. All of this happens within a couple of seconds. At that point, the home team coach tells me that she's been trying to call a timeout. This was a big game, the crowd was loud, the gym is one that has a high ceiling and is echo-y, and the coach does not have a loud voice. I simply didn't hear her.
I had this happen to me tonight. Boys JV. I'm the T tableside and I'm administering the 10-second count. The only thing l I could hear was the visiting coach wanting the 10 second violation (I was only at 7 FWIW). At the next stoppage of play, Home Coach wanted to know why I didn't grant his timeout request.

My takeaway is that I should try to position myself so my peripheral vision is better for seeing a visual request.

ref3808 Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:02pm
I've had the same thing happen to me recently. Girls HS game, female HC with a soft voice who was trying to get our attention (2-man in MA) because she wanted a TO.

I eventually heard her and granted the TO, but more time came off the clock then she would have liked.

This will happen as long as coaches insist on retaining rules that allow them to call time outs when the ball is live, especially in 2 person crews.

Time outs should be called by players when the ball is live.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 19, 2013 09:31am
My story: First half,. End of the court away from the bench. Scramble for the ball. Eventually a held ball. As I run past the coach, she asks, "DIdn't you hear me asking for a TO?"

Second half. Same spot on the court. SImilar play. I'm listneing harder. I hear a faint "Time out" coming from the far bench area. 'TWEET". "I didn't ask for a TO." :face palm:

Rich Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:08am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 873086)
My story: First half,. End of the court away from the bench. Scramble for the ball. Eventually a held ball. As I run past the coach, she asks, "DIdn't you hear me asking for a TO?"

Second half. Same spot on the court. SImilar play. I'm listneing harder. I hear a faint "Time out" coming from the far bench area. 'TWEET". "I didn't ask for a TO." :face palm:
Reminds me of the coach yelling "FIVE OUT" during some heated, contested play. Why would coaches name plays that sound like "TIME OUT"?

Another one happened last week -- as my partner was going by, a coach held up one single fist over his head. Apparently, to him this is a timeout request cause when my partner ran by, the coach got really animated because my partner missed "the fist."

jTheUmp Sat Jan 19, 2013 01:11pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 873100)
Reminds me of the coach yelling "FIVE OUT" during some heated, contested play. Why would coaches name plays that sound like "TIME OUT"?
Game earlier this year: One team had a play called "Five out", the other team had a play called "Side out".

Or the coach last night who stood up with her fists spread wide apart (think: double foul signal)... which apparently meant she wanted a timeout.

bainsey Sat Jan 19, 2013 03:20pm
I have to wonder why the players simply don't mirror the coach's request.

just another ref Sat Jan 19, 2013 03:28pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 873125)
I have to wonder why the players simply don't mirror the coach's request.
Most players now apparently don't know that they can request a timeout. I often mention this in pregame to coaches and captains.

APG Sat Jan 19, 2013 03:38pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 873126)
Most players now apparently don't know that they can request a timeout. I often mention this in pregame to coaches and captains.
I've never met a player that didn't know they could request a timeout. The only time, in at least the games I work, where I see this in play is during a loose ball where a player will grab the ball and ask for a timeout to save possession.

I think you don't see players calling time because they view is as in the pervue of coach...and they also don't want to erroneously call a timeout if they themselves mistake the intentions of the coach. Also, in situations where it may be difficult for officials to grant a request, tend to be intense situations where a player will have his undivided attention on.

HawkeyeCubP Sat Jan 19, 2013 04:54pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 872880)
Lead needs to get this if the trail is table side.
+1

When the ball passes through the basket, if at all possible (and IMO it almost always is), peek toward the benches.

ToolinFool Sat Jan 19, 2013 06:55pm
One rule that I'd like to see changed
 
I would like the table to be able to signal a time out request with a horn.

JRutledge Sat Jan 19, 2013 06:59pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 873130)
I've never met a player that didn't know they could request a timeout. The only time, in at least the games I work, where I see this in play is during a loose ball where a player will grab the ball and ask for a timeout to save possession.

I think you don't see players calling time because they view is as in the pervue of coach...and they also don't want to erroneously call a timeout if they themselves mistake the intentions of the coach. Also, in situations where it may be difficult for officials to grant a request, tend to be intense situations where a player will have his undivided attention on.
And that is the reason they should give the request. We can and have misunderstood their request and it has further consequences when we make that mistake. And just like anything else, a coach should coach up his players to make that request properly when told to. I think all JAR is saying is that kids often have a coach requesting a timeout and players ignore the coach but then we are expected to be paying attention to coaches more than the players do.

I just want to change the rule where we cannot give a timeout unless play is stopped or a dead ball.

Peace


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