Head Coach location
 

In a state using optional coaching box, HC gets T'd and must park his hiney. Is there any requirement now about where, up and down the bench, he may sit? It would seem to me he should have to take a seat adjacent to the 14' box, so that when he did rise as allowed, he'd be in box area. I doubt he would be anywhere else, and don't think he should get up and go to far end near baseline, whether he's visiting water cooler or coaching from that corner. Any comments?

The box is irrelevant once he is not allowed to stand and coach in it. I couldn't care less where he sits as long as it's somewhere on the bench. As long as he's behaving himself, why worry about such things?

By rule the head coach must sit within the coaching box, regardless of whether he/she has received a technical (10-5-1, 1-13-2). All the technical does is remove his/her walking around privileges.

Is that really what it says? That a coach must sit within the confines of where the coaching box is outlined? I didn't realize it actually says that. But I still don't really care as long as he's behaving himself.

10.5.1C says a coach may sit anywhere on the bench, not necessarily inside the box. But if he does, he may not use the box during the game.

Am I Lookin' at This Right?
 

Not correct. 10-5-1: "The head coach shall remain seated on the team bench, except..." Then, if a. is allowed but he "lost the box", he can still b., c., d., and e., but the preliminary expectation stated prior to a. still applies.
Right?

EDIT: Oh, I think I see what you mean..."as long as it's somewhere on the bench" is your operative phrase. You saying that "somewhere on the bench" might not necessary be "in the box"? He might possibly be "on the bench" but no longer "in the box." Which looks like it would be okay.

WTF? :confused:

If he's not using the box, voluntarily or otherwise, he may sit anywhere on the bench.

Wtf???
 

What does the Wisconsin Tourist Federation have to do with the topic?

(see my edit, which unfortunately came a little late..... :o )

Thanks, JAR. If he's been using the box, he has to stay in it. If he hasn't then he can stay wherever he wants but that means he wouldn't have had coaching box privileges during that game prior to the T.

So...if he's been using the box since the start of the game, my first answer applies.

If he hasn't been using the box since the start of the game, he shouldn't have been afforded any of the coaching box rights in the first place.

Once he's whacked, though, he can sit anywhere on the bench -- but he needs to stay there.

Exactly. He's only required to stay within the box if he's using it. Once he loses it, no such requirement exists. And letemplay's thought about bring in the box when rising as allowed doesn't matter, either. As even if the coach relinquishes the box by sitting outside it, he can still rise as otherwise allowed.

They can still do the following.

b. The head coach may stand within the coaching box to request a time-out or signal his/her players to request a time-out.

c. The head coach may stand and/or leave the coaching box to confer with personnel at the scorer's table to request a time-out as in 5-8-4.

d. The head coach may stand within the coaching box to replace or remove a disqualified/injured player or player directed to leave the game.

e. The head coach may stand as in 10-4-4c and 10-4-4d.

I'm guessing that you know that I know that.

Agreed. If he's received a T, lost his coaching box privileges, then he can sit anywhere he wants to on the bench. No rule says he has to continue sitting within the confines of the box.

Twenty Players In The Book ...
 

So in the extreme case of a very, very, long bench, with lots, and lots, of substitutes, while seated all the way down on the endline, he can stand up to request a timeout?

Sure. Why would he not be able to, in that oddball scenario?

Yes I do

yes

I get it.

Coach stands in the box. Gets whacked.

Now, coach leaves the box to go sit at the end of the bench.

Whack the coach again as soon as he steps out of the box on his / her way to his/her seat. ;)

I've gotten 2 emails from a college supervisor this week telling us we are not enforcing the coaches sitting in chairs within the box.

So apparently somebody cares, and it's somebody who signs checks.

There is no such rule in NFHS basketball once the coach no longer has access to the box. He can sit anywhere on the bench. If he is going to use the box during the game and starts the game seated, it must be within the box. When the box here was only 6' it was a real pain to tell the coach his chair had to be in there -- it reminded me of a small jail cell.

Obviously, in NCAA basketball things are different since the coach doesn't lose the box after a technical foul. And of course the box is 28' long. So there it makes perfect sense to expect that the coach always be in the box.

Right. "Bench area" and "coaches box" are (nearly) synonymous in NCAA; not so in FED.

What!!??
 

:eek:You mean college coaches can get T'd?:rolleyes: Anybody see end of MD-NC State? MD coach had to set high jump record protesting a call way out onto floor...guess now he's glad ole Roger didnt whack him

I only work high school so I'm not aware of any college specific rules in this area. Sorry if I created any confusion. Since the new mods are having fun playing with name titles, maybe they can figure out a way to denote which rulesets we officiate under as part of our post headers. That might help imply context for situations like this.

The difference is that, if they sit outside the box, they must stand outside the box to go between their seat and the box which would put them at odds with the rule. They're using that seat location to effectively extend the size of the box to their advantage...allowing them closer to mid-court than they should be.

Sorry, it's up to the posters to put that in the thread titles. Some threads benefit from looking at multiple rulesets, too.

Besides, we've moved on -- we (the moderator group) spent over an hour yesterday in an online chat trying to decide what color our names should be and whether they should be bolded or not. Important stuff, indeed.

Next up, avatars.

Use a signature that denotes which rulesets you officiate which is already done by some posters.

I hope not.

And in HS, if there are chairs above the 28' line we have the same problem.

I would like to see HS use the college coaches box. A 14 foot box, only has room for approximately 7 or 8 chairs. But until then....it is what it is

Try a six foot box as is the deal in Texas....

Wow, not everything is bigger in Texas :p

I don't know a single official in the board I was in that came close to enforcing the box. Six feet is a joke.

Please NO.

This board is generally so clean to read. I despise boards where 80% of the page is not content but garbage (avatars, big signatures, etc.) around the discussion.

Which, at least with current board software, would be only five total clicks away from being disabled (yes I actually counted).

APG, you already forgot we have chapters out here? ;)

Adam was kidding about avatars, we're taking him out behind the woodshed now for some reeducation.

They increased the box to 14 feet for Varsity in TX. Still 6 feet for sub-varsity, but still no one really enforces it.

Thanks for the info...I remember going from (what was) the 6 foot box to the 14 foot box in Virginia...the difference :eek:

We use the full size box here but pretty much if the Coach isn't yelling at an official it is pretty much ignored.