Batting ball
 

30 seconds remaining, 4th quarter, team A in bounding under their basket following a time out. In an effort to keep time from running off the clock, the in bounder rolls ball along floor to the guard in the backcourt. The guard lets ball roll almost to division line, and due to ball loosing momentum, reaches down and taps ball forward continuing roll(clock starts on touch). He then pick up ball starts a dibble. Illegal pass or no call. I have illegal pass if I'd call anything

My Best Guess ...
 

No call (as long as the clock starts).

There's no such call as an illegal pass. The play as you describe is nothing.

Was thinking along the lines of a self pass

I'm also guessing this inbounds pass took place near Team B's basket, and hopefully not under it.

Backcourt violation?

There is no such thing under NFHS/NCAA rules by definition. A pass, by definition is movement of the ball who throws, bats, or rolls the ball to another player.

Why?

It's safe to say the OP meant under the opponent's basket...but even so, no backcourt violation as player control inbounds and in the frontcourt never occurred.

I think he's simply trying to ask: should there be a violation for tapping a rolling ball on the floor to speed it up, then pick it up with both hands and start dribbling?

I do not know the answer to this. Sounds like you COULD say he gained possession by tapping it in the direction and speed he wanted it to go. I would have a no call here. Sounds goofy.

Which I already answered...no violation. What rule did he violate? He never had player control as he wasn't holding or dribbling the ball...so you can't have an illegal dribble. You can't have traveling because he was never holding the ball.

Play on

Remove that phrase from your vocabulary.

Yes, ball was inbounded under opponents basket in team A's backcourt. Sometimes a no call is better than "assuming" there was a violation. Very weird scenario and actually happened. The ref called travelling FYI.

And what is the primary element required for traveling...."Holding" the ball. If a player is not holding the ball, they can't travel....ever. And all of the traveling situations that appear to be absent that element really do have it at some point in the sequence.

Unless you're working in the NBA/WNBA/D-League ;)

Blast From The Past ...
 

Check this out:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post723613

Unless I'm forgetting something, once the ball is on the floor, there is nothing illegal that can happen to it before it's picked up except a kick, hit with a fist, or out of bounds.

You COULD but you would be incorrect. A player gains control of the ball (possession) when he is HOLDING or DRIBBLING the ball. Tapping it is not possession.

When a ball is INTENTIONALLY tapped by a player or "rolled" along the floor it constitutes a dribble. In this case once the player tapped the ball forward he used his "dribble" to get the ball from point A of the tap to point B where he then picked it up. He can gain control but he simply canNOT dribble. He can make a pass from the spot where he picks the ball up, he obviously can pivot but he cant dribble, that would constitute a violation-Double Dribble.

Rule 4, Section 15

ART. 1 . . . A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times. It is not a part of a dribble when the ball touches a\ player’s own backboard.

How does one bat or push the ball to the floor when it's already on the floor?

Incorrect.