3 man mechanics

[just another ref]

If everybody is on the same page, without a doubt the flex (or whatever else it is called) is a superior system. But if you have a bunch of guys who have called only 2 man, some for over 30 years, and now have just a game or two a year 3 man, sometimes less is more. Nothing much worse than being in the lead, crossing over, and neither partner shows any sign of moving. Unless it's being the T, looking over, and the C is closer to the division line than you are.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If everybody is on the same page, without a doubt the flex (or whatever else it is called) is a superior system. But if you have a bunch of guys who have called only 2 man, some for over 30 years, and now have just a game or two a year 3 man, sometimes less is more. Nothing much worse than being in the lead, crossing over, and neither partner shows any sign of moving. Unless it's being the T, looking over, and the C is closer to the division line than you are.

I think 3-man with no movement is worse than 2-man. You probably end up with 3 guys standing in quicksand and nobody moving to get better angles.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think 3-man with no movement is worse than 2-man. You probably end up with 3 guys standing in quicksand and nobody moving to get better angles.

There's a difference in no movement and no rotation. I was assuming each guy would still move within his designated area to get the best angle.

Every system has problems. In the old system some guys thought the T had nothing to do once the ball crossed into the frontcourt.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There's a difference in no movement and no rotation. I was assuming each guy would still move within his designated area to get the best angle.

Every system has problems. In the old system some guys thought the T had nothing to do once the ball crossed into the frontcourt.

I was making the leap that a lot of officials probably didn't move since they knew they weren't rotating across. Clearly that wasn't the case for all officials, but I've seen it even in systems where officials were supposed to rotate. They'd just say something in the pregame like "I don't like rotating too much" and that was code for "I don't rotate, ever."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen it even in systems where officials were supposed to rotate. They'd just say something in the pregame like "I don't like rotating too much" and that was code for "I don't rotate, ever."

True, and if they're not gonna rotate, ever, I'd rather they'd tell me in advance than just not do it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There's a difference in no movement and no rotation. I was assuming each guy would still move within his designated area to get the best angle.

Every system has problems. In the old system some guys thought the T had nothing to do once the ball crossed into the frontcourt.

What makes you assume that? I see officials all the time in camps not move a single bit. And if they know they are not moving, then I would think more would do just that and stay completely still.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What makes you assume that? I see officials all the time in camps not move a single bit. And if they know they are not moving, then I would think more would do just that and stay completely still.

Peace

Are you saying it's okay to stay completely still?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are you saying it's okay to stay completely still?

No. Just saying you do not have to advocate this and still see people doing just that while they officiate in 3 or 2 Person for that matter.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No. Just saying you do not have to advocate this?

Do not have to advocate what? I didn't know I was advocating anything. I see the need to move in any system.

What are you saying?

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think 3-man with no movement is worse than 2-man. You probably end up with 3 guys standing in quicksand and nobody moving to get better angles.

I have never seen 3 man with no rotations, I have seen few rotations, but never none.

We use 3 man for varsity and I like it. C has to work hard to catch off ball stuff, and it is rare, but sometimes it is there.

I believe the screens are better and there are fewer 3 second calls BECAUSE of 3 men crews.

BTW, we call it "PULLING" the lead when C initiates the switch.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If everybody is on the same page, without a doubt the flex (or whatever else it is called) is a superior system. But if you have a bunch of guys who have called only 2 man, some for over 30 years, and now have just a game or two a year 3 man, sometimes less is more

Well, of course 3-man is better than two, if that's part of the issue. Six eyes watching the ball are always better than just four.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Well, of course 3-man is better than two, if that's part of the issue. Six eyes watching the ball are always better than just four.

Please don't joke about this. I had a partner last week who called a travel from L across the court six feet in front of the C at the free throw line extended.